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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 20th 2013, 6:20 pm

OMG laziness don't take any longer to pour a premeasured charge than taking out a pellet with the pipe cleaner and dropping it down the bore.  So where's the laziness???  Come on do better than that..
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 20th 2013, 6:32 pm

Lazy as in they don't have to measure the powder. If that doesn't seem to be a big deal for you. You're not lazy, and don't understand lazy people.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   October 22nd 2013, 4:32 am

And you're only stuck with a few choices as to the load weight. With powder you can change the load in 1 gr increments if you like .
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 5th 2013, 5:32 pm

Currently shoot 777 pellets ,got them free from a freind who did not like them. I started out shooting with 777 ffg loose powder when i got my rifle. My experience with pellets is they are not as powerful as loose powder my rifle shots the same with 100 grains of pellets as it does with 90 grains of loose but if i up the loose powder to 100 grains my groups open up.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 21st 2013, 10:42 pm

im shooting a blue tip shockwave over 3 50/30 pyrodex pellets with a winchester primer  out of a cva optima v2 with the thumbhole stock 
and i dont see it getting any better honestly half dollar to quarter sized groups at 100 off a rest  i dont see how 5 gr could make that much of a difference
copper brush and swab between shots  
no seasoning on the barrel i dont even own bore butter  i use lucas gun oil the red stuff and have little problems loading even if i dont swab between shots

figured id add    if you own a couple sizes of pellets  then  you can adjust in 10 gr increments 
lets face it thats more then enough adjustment to kill a deer  
if your shooting comp or something it might be worth it 

my " possibles " consists of a tube loaded with 2 shots and a couple patches in a ziplock  and i can carry that in my pocket Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 12:06 am

As a former rep for T/C rep I conducted several live fire training shoots for Scheels and Gander Mountain.  We would as many as 100 shots per day using 2 50/50 777 pellets. We would wet patch and dry patch between shots and do a complete cleaning after 50 or so shots. Despite this cleaning regiment, crud rings were a major issue.

I heard a theory that the binding agent in pellets causes higher propensity for crud rings to develop.  I don't know if this is true, but I certainly noticed this having run these shoots.

If anybody has input on this theory I would like to hear about it. 

I think pellet are fine for the entry level / casual Black Powder user. But here are some additional drawbacks:

1) Water retention: once you crack the seal on a pack of pellets the pellets are prone to moisture contamination due to fluctuations in temperature and humidity. Store you pellets in sealed tubes at room temperature.

2) Crud Ring: The biggest problem with crud rings is that they can affect your ability to seat your bullets consistently against your powder charge. If there is a variance in the depth that your bullet gets seated, it will cause inconsistent velocities resulting from varying pressures. In other words: your point of impact can shift.

I have committed my Encore 209 X 50 to shoot black powder. I will burn up what pellets I have left and switch to loose 77. I use Black Horn in my Omega and my LHR.  

It is not my intention to bash pellets, but in general I feel the negatives far outweigh the positives.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 12:25 am

Tekdc911,

Is the Lucas gun oil that you use petroleum based?  If so, this can and will contaminate black powder. You may  not have had an issue yet, but someday you might. Hopefully not when your squeezing the trigger on a Booner!
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 1:34 am

yes but i swab my barrel a couple times before loading and i dont use it on my breech plug or threads  just anti seize on that

i marked my ram rod for different loads   the bullet will be seated to proper depth  even if i have to push harder  not much of a concern if you just need it for a follow up / finishing shot 
other wise you have enough time to brush it  
in theory if your huffing and stuffing  trying to shoot 3 deer within 3-4 minutes of each other then i could see the crud ring being an issue but to take a trophy buck  hopefully you dont need 2-3 shots
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 8:41 am

I don't see one advantage to using pellets. All I see are negatives.

Which works out good, because they aren't legal here.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 9:41 am

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 9:43 am

for somebody shooting at meat there are few disadvantages 
sight your rifle in clean between shots  
put it on a shelf 
you dont need a measure or a new breech plug , or get to have all the fun of worrying about shim kits or head spacing issues 
the only disadvantages come from improper loading or expecting to shoot  a million rounds without cleaning 
im sure if someone picked hard enough they could find disadvantages to using loose powder as well 
its not hard to find a sweet spot with them  you gotta remember powder isnt the only variable   you could change your projectile weight  i can shoot anything 250 g accurately with 90 gr of pellets   if i bump it up to 110 of pellets my rifle likes it to be closer to 300 g  my tradition doesn't care  as long as your not running over 120 g of pellets it will chunk almost anything you put down it   but not near as accurate as my optima


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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 9:52 am

@tekdc911 wrote:
for somebody shooting at meat there a few disadvantages 
sight your rifle in clean between shots  
put it on a shelf 
you dont need a measure or a new breech plug , or get to have all the fun of worrying about shim kits or head spacing issues 
the only disadvantages come from improper loading or expecting to shoot  a million rounds without cleaning 
im sure if someone picked hard enough they could find disadvantages to using loose powder as well 
its not hard to find a sweet spot with them  you gotta remember powder isnt the only variable   you could change your projectile weight  i can shoot anything 250 g accurately with 90 gr of pellets   if i bump it up to 110 of pellets my rifle likes it to be closer to 300 g  my tradition doesn't care  as long as your not running over 120 g of pellets it will chunk almost anything you put down it   but not near as accurate as my optima

Makes no sense?

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 10:05 am

what happens if the projectile isnt properly seated when using loose powder ?
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 10:11 am

Same thing that happens when the bullet isn't seated on pellets.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 10:22 am

so it would be user error  
just like letting a crud ring build up  and trying to seat a bullet 

i dunno to each there own i guess   i have no issues with any kind of build up in either of my rifles  both barrels look like they did when i bought them  
but im religious with the brass brush though  
i guess your saving time on the loading and spending a little more on the clean up  

but what im getting at is if you shoot a 3 round group clean bore with a spit patch between shots and have no issue with seating a bullet  and your group touches 
 then in the field this is more than acceptable in my opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 10:34 am

im pretty sure the bh 209 is affected by moisture as well 
unless i missed something and its water proof then it has the same problem that the pellets have with moisture retention
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 11:12 am

BH doesn't really absorb moisture anymore than smokeless does. It isn't corrosive either like BP and all other subs.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 12:33 pm

For many years i hunted with granular Pyrodex and Pyrodex pellets.  When a fast reload is needed it's much easier to chunk two or three pellets down the barrel than pour powder from a tube.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 12:43 pm

You have a hard time pouring?

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 2:02 pm

Muley wrote:
BH doesn't really absorb moisture anymore than smokeless does. It isn't corrosive either like BP and all other subs.

That is one of the big benefits of BH209, it absorbs very very little if any moisture.

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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 2:44 pm

put some BH209 in a glass of water, do the same test with pyrodex, triple 7 or american pioneer, the others will just wash away. You can dry the bh209 and use it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 7:54 pm

Good info FG ! 


this is just personal experience  
but i found  the pellets to be more consistent shot to shot   
seeing how powder compression is removed from the equation  


also i have dropped pellets in the heat of the moment  on a few occasions 
unlike powder i can just pick them up and use them still 
even when dropped in dew or snow    still fire fine 
the moisture problem is from prolonged exposure   
only hang fires ive had came from a brand new box of pellets
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 22nd 2013, 8:38 pm

pellets have their uses, as i always say, if it works, use it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 23rd 2013, 12:08 pm

I agree. No need for argument. What works well in your gun and if you are satisfied and CONFIDENT with your system's performance.

Keep those pellets in sealed tubes at room temperature.

Verify your zero just prior to your hunt so that you are as close to the same conditions as you will be hunting in.. 

Had I hunted with my Encore 209X50 with 2ea 50/50 777 pellets, based on the zero that I  established in July.I would have impacted 6-8 inches low at 100 yds in November. (Wisconsin)
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PostSubject: Re: Why do people use pellets?   December 26th 2013, 2:09 pm

I have always been a loose powder guy but last summer I bought a few boxes of white hots and like them. I have no choice with white hots because they don't make it in loose form.
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