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PostSubject: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 2:10 pm

Went to the range today, took both my Accura MR and Accura V2.  I seem to learn something new every time I go to the range.  Example; today I found out there are two ways to remove the palm saver attached to the ram rod while it's on your rifle.  1) First method....Simply remove it by twisting it off the jag, which I presume is CVA's preferred method.  2) Second method...."SHOOT" it off like I did accidently this morning from my MR. Embarassed 

My recommendation is to remove it when you are at the range "BEFORE" you start making lots of smoke.

I found it about 6 feet in front of the shooting bench.


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PostSubject: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 2:21 pm

Wow glade your ok. Was it just turned wrong?

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 2:25 pm

Yes, I have to assume it wasn't seatly correctly.  Those ram rods always jump out 1/2" or a little more when you shoot.  I guess I just wasn't paying attention to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 2:25 pm

Holy smokes! You got real lucky on that. Any damage to the end of the muzzle?
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 2:31 pm

No, everything is perfect. The ram rod was still in the guides underneath the barrel.  Here's a picture of the barrel.  I do see a little worn spot on the weather shield but that isn't from the palm saver mishap, more likely from the loading and cleaning jags rubbing. 


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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 4:37 pm

On my Optima pistol the ramrod isn't long enough to seat the bullet without an extension so I don't know why the palm saver isn't on the extension. That would preclude pistol accidents.

In your case It's probably best to just use the short starter hole to seat the ramrod. That's what I'm doing.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 6:08 pm

Very Happy 

Main thing Joe you weren't hurt. I'm sure you can get another if you so desire. I didn't like that thing from the get go. I took it off and will only  use it when in the blind. Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 6:41 pm

There wasn't any danger that I was aware of.  I really didn't even know it happened until I went to reload and noticed the palm saver was missing.  You're right, I'll only put it on when I get in my tree stand from now on.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 8th 2013, 8:32 pm

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Very Happy 

Main thing Joe you weren't hurt. I'm sure you can get another if you so desire. I didn't like that thing from the get go. I took it off and will only  use it when in the blind. Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 12:21 am

Glad you're ok Joe ! I normally don't use my rifles ramrod on the range , use a brass or aluminium rod that I made up .
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 8:12 am

I use several range rods also.  I never use the ram rod that comes with the muzzleloader at the range, only when hunting in my tree stand.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 8:14 am

I use the ramrod that comes with guns for everything, but if i'm at the range I don't put it back in the thimbles until i'm done.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 8:20 am

Pete I sometimes do that as well but I see some guys say it can make the gun shoot to a different POI.

If never noticed any ill effects as most of my hunting is a relatively short range.
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 8:22 am

Shoot to a different POI with the ramrod out? I doubt it.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 9th 2013, 8:28 am

It might only make a difference if you shoot very long range.
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 18th 2013, 7:11 pm

I would just use the plastic dohicky on the other end of the rod when loading in the field n keep it in my pocket the rest of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 19th 2013, 12:34 am

I use bullets that go down my rifles bore quite easily so I don't need any fancy stuff to force it down. Just use the short starter to get it in the first 4".
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 19th 2013, 6:58 am

Spitfire wrote:
I use bullets that go down my rifles bore quite easily so I don't need any fancy stuff to force it down. Just use the short starter to get it in the first 4".
I like it even better when I don't need a short starter. Those are a pain to carry when hunting.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   October 19th 2013, 7:26 am

Yeah it is , been experimenting with bullets that I sized to .4995 for my Rolling Block and they go down the tube with finger pressure. Weather permitting i'll try them tomorrow to see how accurate they are.
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   November 3rd 2013, 10:45 pm

I didn't think I'd like that palm saver on the new CVA's.  I'll be ordering the New CVA Accura for 2014.  I've always liked the Spin Jag set up anyway. This is good to know.
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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   November 4th 2013, 7:26 am

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On my Optima pistol the ramrod isn't long enough to seat the bullet without an extension so I don't know why the palm saver isn't on the extension. That would preclude pistol accidents.
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I have the Optima V2 pistol and don't use anything but the ramrod that came with the pistol. I have loaded 70 grains of BH 209 with TC XTP Mag 240 pistol bullets with the stock breech plug without a problem.

What load are you using that is too short for the ramrod?

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   November 4th 2013, 1:12 pm

It's barely long enough to seat a 240 gr. Harvester PT Gold + sabot with 40 gr (by wt) of BH209. It's not long enough to shoot a maxi-ball and it's too short to check for an unloaded barrel with the ramrod. I double check with the ramrod before loading any BP gun.

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PostSubject: Re: Caution! CVA palm saver mishap   November 4th 2013, 1:25 pm

I am using 70 grains by volume so I think that is about 49 by weight? Maybe that is the difference along with the bullet/sabot combo? 

I like the fact that I can load the bullets I am using without any adaptors. I don't want to have to install or carry and adaptor into the field.

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