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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 1:11 am

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 5:33 am

Spitfire you are correct. It seems I learn something each time a start a batch. I'm glad I live in the internet age when it comes to the availability of information. I don't trust it all and have stayed within book limits on everything but someday I will venture out towards the edge.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 6:12 am

It's best to stay within limits.
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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 7:53 am

Some older books have numbers that are bordering on dangerous in hot weather.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 8:49 am

That is the area I'm looking at, older books and even different sources have different numbers. An example is the New Sierra manual lists 38 grain max for IMR 4064 with a 80-85 grain Sierra bullet in 243. The Hodgen manual from this year says 41 grains.Three grains seems like a lot. I have safely gone to max in the Sierra manual with no signs of pressure (this is the preferred hunting load in the Sierra book). Accuracy was decent at 38.0 grains out of the Howa 1500.


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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   October 22nd 2013, 9:56 am

Best is to use data that you know work.
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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 10:10 am

This is an example of a control round feed action. The large claw extractor on the right side of the bolt (lower side in this photo) is the standard of CRF actions. Other examples are Mauser 98, Ruger 77, Winchester pre-64 M70, 1903A3, Both P-14 Enfield and 1917 Springfield and this Type 38 Arisaka. There are more but that isthe usual examples.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 10:15 am

Aren't they all a copy of the Mauser 98?

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 10:39 am

Yep , the pinnacle of bolt action design was reached with the Mauser 98.
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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 10:55 am

Now onto your case issues.( I am not trying to insult your intelligence, justgoing through the troubleshooting procedure I would use) First, Where did you get the dies? New or used? Are they the correct dies?Are all the parts for the dies there?Did you clean the dies before use (even when new)Look at the expander ball on the de-priming rod, is it smooth? Try putting a dial or digital caliper on the expander ball to be sure it's the correct size.

Some common problems could be: Did you se-size the cases? Did you trim or measure the cases? Too much case lube could be the problem,but you would have seen crumpled cases during resizing. Yourdie is screwed into the press too far and you are short crimping the bullet during seating,or the necks are too small which would be solved when resizing the cases unless the expander ball of your die is too small or too rough.Look in the box for your dies and see if the instructions are still there, if so read them, if not pretty much all load dies adjust the same way (with a few exceptions) so most die set instructionswill give you the basic procedure for adjusting the crimp. Crimping is a function of the die body, back the die out and screwthe seater inand you can seat bullets with no crimp. You don't have to crimp bullets into the cases to test fire them.The only bullets I crimp are straight cases like the .45-70 and .45 colt and the heavy recoiling magnums. With a bolt action rifle and the "turdy-ot-siks"a crimp is not mandatoryprovided the feeding is not messed up.

Here is a link to RCBS load die instructions download.
http://www.rcbs.com/downloads/instructions/ReloadingDieInstructions.pdf

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 11:19 am

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Aren't they all a copy of the Mauser 98?

Yes, all modern bolt actions owe something to Mauser. IMHO any bolt action rifledesigned after 1898, Revolver after 1873 or semi auto pistol after1911 is just an imitation riding the coat tails of the original. That is not to say the improvementsare not useful. For practical shooting the 1911, 1897 shotgunand the M98 are all that is required, but I do love the Browning A5. Now for combat that is a different story only because all too often rate of fire is a requirement for success and then Comrade Kalashnikovhad the last thing to say on that subject.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 11:20 am

We got her all fixed up guys! The new dies and sizer fixed the problem and shes printing 3/4" groups at 100 yards with 54 grains H380, cci mag primers and 165gr hornady boattails.


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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 11:26 am

A very nice load indeed.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 11:28 am

You can fiddle some more with that loadas the 06is capable of muchbetter groups....
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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 3:02 pm

.... depending on the barrel.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 3:05 pm

52-56 min-max for H380
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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 3:08 pm

Trivia item: H380 was named that because it was Hodgdon's favorite varmint loading for his .22-250.
38.0 grs. of powder with a 52 gr. bullet.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 17th 2014, 9:30 pm

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Trivia item: H380 was named that because it was Hodgdon's favorite varmint loading for his .22-250.
38.0 grs. of powder with a 52 gr. bullet.

Cool trivia. When I start reloading my 22-250 I may try that load. Do you know the specific bullet or primer used?

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 18th 2014, 2:55 am

If you pull up Hodgdon's web site, they may have the loading data for H380. The description preceding the data in one of their manuals gave the story.
Since H380 is a spherical powder, I'm sure he used a magnum primer. The original American varmint bullet makers were Speer and Hornady, I believe. One of them started out using fired .22 rimfire cases as jackets for bullets.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 18th 2014, 6:08 pm

Frontier, The .30-06 has so much load data, powder and bullets available that you could spend your 401K and not cover it all. I think 1" groups at 100 (minute of angle or MOA) yards is pretty darn good for any non-professional shooter and fantastic for an off the shelf factory rifle. Sure there is room for improvement but what will you spend on bullets, powder and brass to get it. A lot of work and cost for shooting deer under 275 yards.

Sight that bad boy in 1.5 to 2 high at 100 yards and you will be pretty close to a 200 yard zero and good for deer out to 275 or so with no hold over.

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PostSubject: Re: Winchester 70 3006   January 18th 2014, 6:58 pm

Now, give VARGET powder a try out of the 30-06.cheers

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