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PostSubject: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 7:39 am

I have the CVA Optima.  I've been very happy with the results from the Hornady 250gn SST bullets in the Low Drag sabots.  I have a range rod that I use to load my rifle 99% of the time, however, I run into a problem when I load it using the ramrod that came with the rifle, which lives beneath the barrel.  I only use it if I forget my other rod when going to the range or when I'm doing a field reload.

The problem is that the SST has a plastic tip which get stuck to the ramrod when pushing the bullet down the barrel.  The hole in the end of the tip of the ramrod isn't large enough to allow it to contact the metal of the bullet instead it pushes on the plastic tip, which in turn gets lodged in the hole.

Once the bullet is seated firmly onto the powder and I attempt to remove the ramrod from the barrel it feels stuck.  Now I can pull it out with some extra force and it's never actually brought the plastic tip out with it, but I'm afraid it is moving the bullet off the powder a little or disfiguring the tip.  Either of which could create an accuracy issue.

Does the tip on the end of that supplied ramrod come off?  I wasn't able to unscrew it easily and didn't want to force it if it wasn't intended to come off.  Then I could replace it with one that has a larger hole to allow it to contact the metal instead of the plastic part of the bullet.  I also thought about drilling open the end of the current tip, but I'm afraid I'd butcher that.

Any other ideas or suggestions.


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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 7:47 am

Yes Greg the tip unscrews so you are able to change jags. I use a spinJag and it will properly load about anything I've come across

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 7:51 am

Yes it unscrews it has lock tight on it I put a Barnes jag on mine
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 7:57 am

Great!  I won't be afraid to apply some force then.  Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 9:29 am

I just screw a tip onto the stock jag. It doesn't hurt anything to stick out a little bit. Bullets shoot straight out, not down.

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 10:04 am

gregaw wrote:
Great!  I won't be afraid to apply some force then.  Thanks!

With it being Loctited you need to apply heat first and force second. If it is red Loctited it takes approx 300*F to break it loose.

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 10:53 am

I bought a pack of assorted ramrod tips from TOTW (I think). I changed out the ends on my ramrod and short starter. Works fine now.

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 11:10 am

Heat then force...  Got it!  I'll try it when I get home tonight.

I think I've already got another one that will work if the threading is the same.  I bought several things I didn't really need when I purchased this, my first muzzleloader.  I wish I had gotten some more questions answered on this site before buying it!  I'm sure I'll use all of it one day, as I have intentions of expanding my BP footprint very soon.  I'm thinking a BP pistol is next on my list.
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 11:59 am

Greg - Give CVA a call and let them know what's happening. I had the "exact" same thing happening to me with the Powerbelt Platnium bullets. I called CVA and explained what was occurring and the knew exactly what I needed, so they sent me a jag with a larger diameter hole to prevent this from happening - for free!

Can't complain with that kind of customer service!  Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 1:19 pm

Muley wrote:
I just screw a tip onto the stock jag. It doesn't hurt anything to stick out a little bit. Bullets shoot straight out, not down.


Does having your ram rod sticking out past your barrel ever create an issue or is it merely an aesthetic thing?  In other words... if your ram rod had an extension on it that made it stick out 2 to 4" inches past the end of your barrel, would it create any problems?


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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 1:28 pm

I wouldn't go that far, but the length of adding a loading jag would be no problem.

Then it's simple to unscrew it when I clean.

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 1:33 pm

I also leave a bullet seating jag attached and sticking out past the muzzle. As long as its no where in the line of sight, its okay. The old timers had at least 4 to 6 inches sticking out and that was simply due to the fact, you cant pull a ball out with only 1/2" of ramrod sticking only
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 1:58 pm

Haven't you ever seen some of the shotguns they use for 3-gun?  If a shotgun isn't bothering something sticking out that far then I'd think a rifle projectile would be fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 17th 2013, 10:07 pm

If it is not directly in line with the bore there is no way that it can create a problem other than looking 'funny' because it's longer than the barrel.
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 18th 2013, 4:57 am

I found that I have a tip that will work and I just threaded it onto the existing tip.  I think this will work fine.  I didn't realize the factory one was threaded to allow that!  Thanks everyone!
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 18th 2013, 11:31 am

I usually just replace the factory ramrods with a cut to length ramrod with a Spinjag on the end. Not the cheapest solution though.
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 18th 2013, 11:37 am

I'd like to do that sometime.  What ramrod do you use?  Anything specific?
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PostSubject: Re: Ramrod Tip Question   December 18th 2013, 11:48 am

I have always used the TC ramroads but after watching my last one split on my father in law I will be going with the giRamrod from spinjag and get their spinjag all in one stop. http://www.spinjag.com/giramrod.php
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