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PostSubject: Patched Ball Shooters   December 18th 2013, 1:09 pm

Guys I am going to put together a small collection of patched balls stuff here. This will include things like patch material, cutting patch at muzzle, patch lubes, Patch lube recipes, ect.

Pre-made patch lubes:

Frontier's - Anti Rust & Patch Lube
Frontier's - Buckskinner's Blend Patch Lube
Frontier's - SHOOT OUT! Patch Lube & Bore Enhancer
TC Bore Butter
Trapper's Mink oil tallow
Ol' Grizz patch lube
Lehigh Valley Lube
Wonderlube 1000 plus
Liquid Wonder Lube 1000 Plus
Hornady one shot cleaner & protectant
Birchwood Casey magic muzzle cleaner #77 black powder solvent


Make it yourself Patch lubes: If you guys have your own recipe, reply with the recipe and I will add it to the list.

Olive Oil & Bees wax - Mix bees wax in a small amount at a time. You want your patch lube to be a little stiffer than crisco, but not to the point your patches are hard enough to "crack".

Moose Milk: Have your typical Shot Glass ready!
1 shot glass of water soluble oil "Ballistol"
1 shot glass of Pinesol
2 shots hydrogen peroxide - 3% solution
20 shots of water
When weather turns very cold to the freezing point, you can add 2 shots of Alcohol to your mix to prevent it from freezing.


Another recipe for another form of moose milk:

Castor Oil 4 oz.

Murphy's Oil Soap 1 oz.

Witch Hazel 4 oz.

Isopropyl Alcohol (91%) 8 oz.

Water (non-chlorinated) 16 oz


Go Jo hand cleaner


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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 18th 2013, 2:44 pm

@FrontierGander wrote:

Moose Milk: Have your typical Shot Glass ready!
1 shot glass of water soluble oil "Ballistol"
1 shot glass of Pinesol
2 shots hydrogen peroxide - 3% solution
20 shots of water

When weather turns very cold to the freezing point, you can add 2 shots of Alcohol to your GUT to prevent you from freezing.


Couldn't resist doing a little editing .. sorry.  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 18th 2013, 3:01 pm

lol!  a nice hot buttered rum will do that and hold on for quite a while!
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 18th 2013, 6:56 pm

You forgot Go Jo hand cleaner. Got the idea from Don Jose. IMO: It's the best patch lube there is. The GoJo on that patch cleans the barrel on the way down.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 18th 2013, 7:43 pm

What about revolver pills made of beeswax and lard? Place one between powder and bullet and you avoid fouling and binding problems when shooting a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 19th 2013, 9:21 pm

You didn't mention how much, if you intended to add to the Moose Milk, Jo Joe hand cleaner?
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 19th 2013, 9:34 pm

@gunner69 wrote:
You didn't mention how much, if you intended to add to the Moose Milk, Jo Joe hand cleaner?

I believe he uses GoJoe straight on the patch and nothing else.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 19th 2013, 9:36 pm

thats correct. I will however made videos of how much lube to use. Some smear them with bore butter or a thicker mixture and thats not the correct way. My percussion video shows how to lube properly with a runny liquid patch lube.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 19th 2013, 9:56 pm

I found the patch must be nearly dry to the touch to work best.
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PostSubject: Lube   December 22nd 2013, 3:49 pm

Hello, new to the forum but have been builidng and shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, some of which have been featured in historical movies, like Last of the Mohicans.  I have always sworn by Young County Lube 103.  Hard to find now, but still available.  Looks like soft chapstick, which some have said it is.  Anyway, I have personally fired 86 RPB through a .45 flinter without wiping.  Did get a little hard toward the end, but it really does what it says.  I've always used pillow ticking, cut at the muzzle with a small patch knife.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 22nd 2013, 3:52 pm

@Gobblergetter wrote:
Hello, new to the forum but have been builidng and shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, some of which have been featured in historical movies, like Last of the Mohicans.  I have always sworn by Young County Lube 103.  Hard to find now, but still available.  Looks like soft chapstick, which some have said it is.  Anyway, I have personally fired 86 RPB through a .45 flinter without wiping.  Did get a little hard toward the end, but it really does what it says.  I've always used pillow ticking, cut at the muzzle with a small patch knife.

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I would love to see pictures of your builds. Do you have a website or anything?

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 22nd 2013, 3:55 pm

Welcome to the forum Gobbler! I added young country lube to the list as well as where to get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   December 22nd 2013, 3:58 pm

@Gobblergetter wrote:
Hello, new to the forum but have been builidng and shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, some of which have been featured in historical movies, like Last of the Mohicans.  I have always sworn by Young County Lube 103.  Hard to find now, but still available.  Looks like soft chapstick, which some have said it is.  Anyway, I have personally fired 86 RPB through a .45 flinter without wiping.  Did get a little hard toward the end, but it really does what it says.  I've always used pillow ticking, cut at the muzzle with a small patch knife.

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That was a great movie.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 11:40 am

Young Country Lube is nowhere to be found anymore. Seems to have disappeared.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 12:00 pm

I saw that. I wonder if they just ran out of stock and its no longer made? Its pretty much like bore butter from what Ive read.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 12:31 pm

back in the early 2000's when I shot BP alot a old timer gave me some stuff called Shenandoah Valley lube\cleaner stuff worked great..cut down on swabbing barrel after a few shots...I think its call Lehigh Vally now...it made shooting BP like shooting BH209..no cleaning between shots...and easy loading...

this is the stuff   http://www.midwayusa.com/product/561554/muzzle-loader-originals-shenandoah-valley-black-powder-bore-cleaning-solvent-and-patch-lubricant-67-oz-liquid

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 12:38 pm

The old Lehigh formula is called Mr Flintlock now. He's the one on Impossible Shots shooting the flintlock, and is a member here. Although he hasn't posted in quite awhile now.


https://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com/f7-mr-flintlock

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 12:48 pm

scratch
I found that mink oil is the best. At the range I've shot my sidelocks and didn't have to swab between shots and a few times I got as many as 10 shots before I started to feel resistance when loading. Remember, to keep your barrels as clean as possible. Even though I didn't have to swab, I did start to loose accuracy. Jonathan explained that issue to me.
Another point about using mink oil. It doesn't get hard in the cold weather. The patch stays pliable.
I bought dry .015 and .018  patches and the mink oil from TOW and prepared my own.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 1:00 pm

Mr Flintlock is really better for the range Ray. You won't lose accuracy, and you don't need to swab at all if used properly.

I agree with mink oil for hunting. I've preached that for a decade.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 8:47 pm

Muley wrote:
Mr Flintlock is really better for the range Ray. You won't lose accuracy, and you don't need to swab at all if used properly.

".... if used properly?

OK, What's your definition of "if used properly?
Are you putting the lube on the patch light, medium or heavy?
Are you lining the clean bore with the lube first, then dry-patching the bore before loading?
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 17th 2015, 9:01 pm

Just like it says on the bottle. A wet patch, but not dripping. Lubed just before loading.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 18th 2015, 7:18 am

Mr Flintloks works without wiping ...BUT... Last week I was interrupted for about an hour. When I loaded the next round it was gritty, binding getting hard to load. Guess was drying out
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 18th 2015, 8:07 am

That's why I just use it for the range. It seems to have a lot of alcohol in it, and dries out.

I talked to George about using it for hunting, and he said he does, and a lot of his friends do too. I'm not too sure about using it for hunting.

I'll stick to mink and bear tallow for hunting.

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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   June 20th 2015, 10:27 am

For several decades, I've used a tallow + beeswax patch lube.  Works as well or better than the commercial lubes, and beef fat is available for free at most meat counters.

A few months ago I made a 1:5 mix of castor oil and denatured alcohol for producing 'dry' patches. Soak the patch material, then allow the alcohol to evaporate.  The result is a patch with a fine and even distribution of castor oil throughout the material.  Balls load easily, and there's no excess lube to coat the barrel and accumulate fouling.

I'll continue to use my tallow/beeswax blend for cap & ball revolver wads.
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PostSubject: Re: Patched Ball Shooters   February 15th 2016, 1:57 pm

"Powder Hawk's Pride" patch & cleaner lube.

Have had several asked what was the mixture for "Powder Hawk's Pride" that we marketed for almost 25 years in the mid-west. This was a good retail item that was handled in CO, WY, NV, NM, KS and a few other states from the early 70's until we closed shop in 2000.

The inventor was a died-in-the-wool muzzleloader by the name of Kermit "Powder Hawk" Trustem. He was always trying to improve on his shooting supplies. One day he came into my store and asked me to try his newest idea, we when to the range about 100 yards behind the shop and did as he asked. I was impressed over several of the other products we were handling. I order several cases of his "Powder Hawk's Pride" lube, with one case being in the smallest bottle he offered.

Within a few days he brought my order, I had already complied a bunch of small boxes labeled to dealers for samples in a five state area. It took about 2-3 weeks and the orders started coming in which lasted for many years. Dixie Gun Works wanted us to sell to them, (what they were willing to pay was less than the cost to make). That was a wash...

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Nine parts water, one part GoJo hand cleaner, one part water soluble oil (used in machine shops - rust preventive oil). How simple is that folks.

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