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PostSubject: Any other options than Lead?   January 6th 2014, 11:09 pm

Hi Bill here, Does anyone know if there is any other options for lead round balls? Out here in Calif. the new law was passed and by 2016 year the whole state will be lead free for hunting. Shooting a 1 in 60 twist or a round ball twist traditional muzzleloader. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 6th 2014, 11:34 pm

You may check out brass or copper ball bearings. They are expensive but if its just for hunting, its pretty cheap IMO.

Bismuth as well. Im not sure if bismuth contains lead but it melts at around 500-550* very close to what lead melts at.
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 2:42 am

Wonder if a bismuth ball will fly as well as a lead ball.....
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 5:31 am

scratch I would think that brass or copper would be too hard to expand into the rifling.

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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 6:44 am

Using copper as a PRB it won't have to obdurate as the patch is gripping the rifling and doing the sealing.
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 8:15 am

Someone was making lead free balls. They were expensive, and i'm not sure what they were made of now. I'm thinking it was some kind of steel. They're light.

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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 8:16 am


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PostSubject: note   January 7th 2014, 8:46 am

Thanks for the help
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 8:47 am

If they are lighter than lead they will give not give the same down range performance  No
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 9:40 am

Nope! That's why we use lead. Nothing is going to replace it, and it's one of the reasons I left lame ass California.

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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 10:35 am

Funny all the crappy things they come up with  Suspect
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PostSubject: note   January 7th 2014, 3:40 pm

I wounder stand it is a bunch of crap. But what I am going to do not use my muzzleloader?
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 3:43 pm

i know it, thats why i suggest googling up some copper or brass ball bearings. They are pricey but for hunting, you only have to take a few shots at the most.
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PostSubject: note   January 7th 2014, 3:45 pm

Ok I will. You know the stupied thing about this law is its only for hunting not going out and just shooting for fun. Go figure..... Thank you for the help.
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 7th 2014, 3:57 pm

its just a way to screw over hunters. They need to start stringing up california politicians.
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PostSubject: note   January 7th 2014, 4:04 pm

yea 10-4
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 9th 2014, 4:27 pm

Well in the series Centennial, Lame Beaver used gold!!!  Talk about pricey!!!  The lone ranger used silver....zinc may work, but is lighter..
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 9th 2014, 5:47 pm

Silver is too light for bullets and doesn't cast well. I tried to cast a silver bullet using the lost wax technique and the molten silver left many voids and irregularities. The Lone Ranger messed up when he chose silver for bullets. Gold is easy to cast and pure gold is relatively soft but not near as soft as lead.
21 karat gold is burnishable and will flow under pressure. That's why it was used for inlays and crowns in dentistry. You can "fix" open margins by rubbing (burnishing) the gold with a small smooth hand tool and make it flow into the voids.

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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   January 9th 2014, 9:26 pm

Now can you imagine the complaints we'll hear about price when they change over to gold balls...... Laughing 

Everybody will be digging up the berm to retrieve them balls after a shoot.
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   February 20th 2016, 2:50 pm

Lead free huh!

Wonder what they're gonna use in auto batteries?? What a Face :wow Deadhorse
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PostSubject: Re: Any other options than Lead?   February 20th 2016, 3:03 pm

You mean those batteries that take dirty energy to make? Laughing
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