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PostSubject: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 5:51 am

In reading the posts on this forum, I see where several members shoot CVA Muzzleloaders. Since I have one on order with Carlos I thought I would get your opinions of CVA guns in general. Do you like them, are you satisfied with them, would you prefer another brand, etc? In surfing the web, I see where one writer in particular (Randy Wakeman) has nothing good to say about CVA or any of their products. Anyone know if he is legit or just has an axe to grind?
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 7:37 am

Carlos has called Randy out, face to face, & just embarrassed him for his remarks. While some of what Randy says is true (1995 & some earlier models had issues) CVA did issue a recall for any gun that was considered a possible problem.

The newer guns are actually built quite well, you never hear of any of the issues that Randy talks about from any actual users. I've had a Wolf, Optima, Accura V2, & my favorite CVA gun....APEX. Not a single problem. Now is CVA perfect? No. But neither are any other M/L companies. CVA needs to come up with a better system for the head space on guns that are adjustable (the APEX is not) They also need to build one style breech plug that is good for all powders.

If you are buying from Carlos & yours is an adjustable headspace model, have him adjust it for you. He will do what ever you need to have that gun ready to go. It's just one of many reasons to buy from Carlos. 

Good luck with everything, let us know how it goes, & keep us informed on how it shoots for you. If you have any questions, just yell- Greg

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 7:41 am

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I see where one writer in particular (Randy Wakeman) has nothing good to say about CVA or any of their products. Anyone know if he is legit or just has an axe to grind?

Randy Wakeman is phoney as a three dollar bill.  He's in the pockets of a Tulsa, OK ambulance chasing lawyer.  One ot their "cases" involves a CVA gun that blew up and hurt a new muzzleloader shooter.  i  met a guy who was present on the firing range when that CVA gun blew up.  The shooter had loaded a large volume charge of smokeless powder, probably IMR 3031.   

Think of it this way.  All Spanish made muzzleloader  guns are proof tested.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 8:23 am

CVA guns are good. I especially like the Accura MR.

Randy is a fool who gets paid to rag on CVA. Ignore him.

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 8:40 am

I have a CVA muzzy and have hunted elk with it in Utah for the last two years. Never any problems. Ask any one on our forum and you will get the truth like or not. Love my CVA Apex.

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 8:40 am

Very Happy 

I agree with the replies posted above. CVA is a really good rifle. I've had V1's, V2's and the MR. (Bought them along with all my shooting supplies from my friend Carlos. He has never stirred anyone wrong). I can't compare CVA to any other rifle because I've only owned CVA and I have had no complaints with any of them.
As far as RW goes, don't waste you time with anything he has to say. He's only going to say the things that keep him on their payroll.

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 8:49 am

Ole Randy rags on anything or anyone that does not pay him to say anything good about their product.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 9:29 am

I'm a proud owner of a CVA ACCURA MR and like the rifle very much.  I also purchased it from Carlos where I make all my muzzleloading purchases.  As far as inline's,  besides the CVA MR, I've owned a couple of T/C Encores, a LHR redemption and a couple of CVA Accura V2's.   "All" are great shooters and quality builds.  In my opinion, for a production muzzleloader, CVA is as nice a rifle as any of them.  Their life time warranty and great customer service make them a top pick for me.

For the record my .58 Hawken flintlock is the most fun to shoot!   Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 12:37 pm

I had one of the recalled models in the mid 90's. I sent in the form and received a new barrel. I only used pyrodex and never had an issue with either barrel but never used the old one after receiving the new one. After that I purchased a CVA Magbolt  which is a good gun. Then I bought a Traditions LDR and it is a good rifle. Other friends and family have had TC's and Knights and they are good too. 
As far as Randy goes I wouldn't be overly concerned, he is a spokesperson for several products. Look at both sides and look at what works for you. This site provides good information on muzzleloading and even other topics. Have fun with your new rifle.

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 4:51 pm



And its not a CVA
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 5:22 pm

I have a CVA Eclipse, which is supposed to be one of the worst CVAs.  It has never blown up.  Still shoots great after more than 10 years.

Randy Wakeman's day (maybe night) job is being a magician in the Chicago area.  He has no technical background.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 5:41 pm

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And its not a CVA


You do know that is a Bergara barrel made for the Encore don't you?
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 5:46 pm

very cute, a double load of bh209 is nothing to mess with.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 6:23 pm

No its not anything to mess with. Just thought I would point out that the barrel on that gun is made by Bergara which is the same company that makes CVA barrels.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 6:47 pm

yeah i noticed you had to point that out too for the original poster on dougs. My guess, it was a SML conversion.

Gosh i got that wolf in the closet i'd love to try something on but i just dont have the heart  Laughing  Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 7:00 pm

Yep, lots of guns blow up.   Folks even manage to blow up the Savage smokeless powder guns.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 7:07 pm

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yeah i noticed you had to point that out too for the original poster on dougs. My guess, it was a SML conversion.

Gosh i got that wolf in the closet i'd love to try something on but i just dont have the heart  Laughing  Laughing


I actually think it was smokeless powder (my opinion) that was in it but it wouldn't have been a smokeless conversion because it is a muzzleloader barrel and not a 45-70 barrel. I just think its possible one of the loads or a combination of loads had smokeless powder used and it was dumped in a regular Bergara muzzleloader but who knows.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 2nd 2014, 7:22 pm

I think it was a staged set up.  Check out the obvious on the picture really good and tell me what you think I am thinking. Its a hard thing to take notice to but I see something.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 4:38 am

Thank you all for your insight. I don't think I have anything to worry about when it comes to CVA firearms. What manufacturer doesn't have a problem with their product from time to time? What happened to CVA was nearly 20 years ago, the problem with CVA guns was corrected and we have moved on. Everyone except RW, of course.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 6:16 am

Jon, I'm looking at the glove.  Only a couple finger tips of the glove are torn.  The rifle exploded at the breech blowing the barrel into three pieces.    I would of thought that the left hand would have been severely damaged.  ???

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 6:53 am

The thing that surprised me is that it appears that there is no damage to the receiver. That barrel exploded at the breech end so that receiver should be very distorted at the very least.

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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 7:30 am

A few centerfire Encores chambered for .257 Shooting Times Westerner, 6.5mm STW and 7mm STW have blown up.  These rounds are based on the 8mm Remington magnum or other full length magnum case that is blown out.  There is not enough barrel metal over the front of the chamber.  

http://www.rugerhunting.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2469

Given the fact that that the Bergara barrel shattered at the breech, i would expect to see a badly damaged or shattered receiver.  Those receivers are investment castings.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 8:39 am

A perfectly straight ramrod with the thimbles still attached to it Exclamation  Exclamation
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 9:07 am

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Yep, that would do it.
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PostSubject: Re: CVA Muzzleloaders   March 3rd 2014, 12:26 pm

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A perfectly straight ramrod with the thimbles still attached to it Exclamation  Exclamation
I looked at that & thought the same thing, then I looked again at the rupture point of the barrel, & then I dismissed the ramrod thinking that force just blew it & the thimbles off the gun. I still find that perfectly shapes receiver odd since it was a breech end rupture.

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