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PostSubject: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-24, 20:10

I sent the money order off on Friday to get my first flintlock. It's a used custom gun made by Michael Haley.
It's a .45 cal. in the style of a Carolina gun. Green mtn. 13/16" barrel, Davis trigger, small Siler lock in a honey maple stock with a horn toe plate.

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I don't have the rifle yet so I don't know more.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-24, 20:43

That's sweet!!

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-24, 21:42

what does a pretty thing like that cost
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-24, 22:24

Very Happy 

Bob,
She's a beauty that's for certain. Good luck with her and don't flinch lol! 

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-24, 23:22

pretty darn snazzy! I really like the way that nose piece section is, ive never seen that before, very unique!
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 03:58

You're ruined now. Your stock of percussion caps will turn green with age.
The reason some people think flintlocks are unreliable or "slow" is because they have only been exposed to ones that have bottom end components. Ain't nothing bottom end on that rifle. Good lock, and the barrel is about as good as you can get. One thing though, if the rifle is new you may need to swab the bore a hundred times or so with steel wool to get sharp edges off the lands. My favorite rifle has a Green Mountain barrel, and until I steel wooled the bore, it shot patterens instead of groups and shredded patches like crazy. 
If you keep your flint sharp and make sure the vent is always clear you will not see any difference between it and a cap gun.

Except that the flint is way more fun.

Can a flint trade gun or musket be far behind?
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 04:02

Oops.
Just reread the OP and saw the gun is used. Forget the stuff about the bore. It should be ok.

From the pictures, it is, at most, slightly used.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 05:50

A beauty! Do you know what the barrel twist rate is  Question

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 07:35

Congrats on the gorgeous rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 07:38

The gun was reported to be test fired only. We all know that means it is probably well broke in.  Wink 

The barrel twist is 1:66.

I got an e-mail from the maker and he said that one was the 16th he made. He said he has made ~ 25 now. He also said his craftsmanship has improved since then.

I got a pretty good deal on this one. The asking price was $995 + shipping. I'm sure a new custom one would be $200-500 more.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 09:23

Congrats Pato  ....you've arrived !

NOTHING beats shooting a flinty....
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-25, 12:00

Nice!!  It's hard to shoot quickly between shots because you have to pause for awhile due to all the laughter and giggling.  You have a fun shooter there. Laughing 

Enjoy!!

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-26, 09:30

Whatever gets hit by the ball sure won't be giggling.... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-26, 14:48

Congrats, that sure is fine looking rifle!
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-26, 15:33

Thanks. I hope it will be at least that nice in person.

It was sent this morning and expected delivery is on Monday ... about 4 months from now, it seems.  Wink

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-27, 09:34

Know what you mean Pato....bought a .357 this afternoon but have to wait for the license before I get it .
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-27, 10:46

If you have a concealed weapons license here (Florida), there is no waiting period at all. You walk out with the gun when you buy it.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-27, 11:43

Over here you have to motivate why you need what you buy and if you are successful you may wait up to 3 months for the damned license !
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-03-31, 12:28

Well, I was supposed to get my rifle today but just looked at the USPS site and it's sitting in Jacksonville as of 7:30 last night. The local post office said it takes 2 days to get here from Jacksonville. It's only 240 miles. They must have awfully slow trucks.  Mad scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 09:17

Maybe they use horses...?
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 09:39

I have never ever gotten a package from the PO when the tracking# said it was suppose to come.


UPS on the other hand has always been on time.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 16:54

Dislike USPS, the people that work at ours in town, the 2 females are a couple B words.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 16:55

Betty and Beatrice?

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 17:02

no clue what their names are lol, they dont wear name tags.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 17:26

My gun didn't show up today although it left a town 25 miles from here at 4:45 AM today. The postal guy said it has to go to Tampa first and then back here. He said maybe tomorrow.

No wonder they're losing money every day. Travel 170 miles to net 25 miles .. that makes a lot of sense.  crazy 

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 17:29

Same thing here. If I mail a letter to Salida which is just 25 miles to the south of me it goes to Denver first which is 100 miles north of me.

Post office is a joke.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-01, 21:34

Private businesses (FedEx, UPS) do similar things.  In addition, now when you order something via UPS, it sometimes comes through USPS.  The private companies are sub-contracting to the USPS.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 09:24

Ocelot, you're right. But usually UPS or Fed-Ex deliver it to the final post office. Then the local guy brings it out.
The USPS seems to have it all balled up with their regional hubs that everything has to go through.

I live right in the middle of Orlando, Tampa, and Gainesville. They are all the same mileage from me. If I mail a letter to the next town that's 15 miles away, it goes to Tampa then Orlando and then to that town. It's a 210 mile circular route to go a net of 15 miles. That is not a cost-saving measure!

PS: I just checked the tracking again and it said "Out for delivery" so maybe I'll get it today.  Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 10:16

Over here if it says 'out for delivery' it still might take two days...
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 11:21

Well, it finally showed up about 30 minutes ago. Boy, is it long.  Laughing  It is also very light. It weighs 6.9 lbs. The barrel and furniture are in the white all polished up and there are a few scuffed spots and minor dents in the stock. The scuffs should polish out. I'll probably add to the dents when I take it hunting. The rear sight has a very small notch for target shooting. I'm going to deepen and widen it for hunting with my old eyes. The pinkish colored ramrod has to get darker, probably by staining.

Will it hurt to dry fire it to check for sparks and to get used to it so I won't flinch?
Also, I want to install a front swivel through the tenon of the middle thimble. What is the desired direction of removing the pins? Left to right or vice versa?

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 11:44

Dry firing doesn't hurt a flintlock, but it wears out the flint. Put some powder in the pan if you're trying to get used to the flash.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 12:04

Doing what Pete said might give you an idea off what it is like to fire her for real ....now you'll learn the real meaning off follow through  Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 12:58

Haha check first to make sure its not loaded.

Get some good pictures of it if you can!
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 13:02

I just "dry fired" it with 3 gr. of 4FG in the pan. It won't hold any more than that. In fact, 2 1/2 gr. is probably the right amount.
It wasn't that bad. I was expecting much worse and flinched due to anticipated fireworks. Now that I know it's just a slight distraction, I'm sure I can ignore it.

This is going to be fun!!

I measured the bore and the land diameter is .458". The groove diameter is .472". What size ball is best? .440 seems small. I may see if .451 will work. I don't have any .445 balls or mold.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 13:05

Loading the pan to just below the touch hole usually works best. Never cover the hole.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 13:10

That's what I did but 3 gr. by weight filled the entire trough and then some. The touch hole is high enough so it would be difficult to put too much powder in and still close the frizzen all the way.

I need to get a flintlock tool and a brush  .... and grow about 4 inches taller to load the long thing.  Razz It's 56 1/2" long. My eyes aren't that tall.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 13:20

Shorty...

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-02, 19:19

There is one sure way to eliminate flinching, not just with a flintlock, but with any firearm. It takes practice, and it takes discipline. If you can train yourself to do it, I guarantee you will never flinch. And you will probably shoot better as well.



When your sights are on target, apply pressure to the trigger. As the sights drift off - and they will -, hold that pressure but do not increase it. As the sights drift back where you want them again apply more pressure. Continue the procedure until, without knowing exactly when it is going to happen, the rifle fires. It should be a complete surprise when the gun fires, and the sights will be on target. It’ll all be over before you have a chance to flinch. A good way to practice is to make a few wood flints so you don’t use up those expensive real ones.



Forget that click, boom often associated with flintlocks. With a good lock (and it looks like you have one) there should be no noticeable difference in lock time between a flintlock and a percussion. My main go-to rifle for matches has a Chambers round face lock with a hammer throw that seems twice as long as locks on other rifles I’ve had. Even so, I never perceive any lag as long as I’ve done my part.



Doing my part is pretty simple. 1. Prime the pan. 2. The really, really important part, PICK THE TOUCHOLE to make sure it’s clear. I usually like to make sure the pick is well into the charge to make sure it didn’t get crunched too tight when the ball was rammed home.



It’s a matter of personal choice, but if that was my rifle I wouldn’t install sling swivels on it. They look okay on muskets and some Germanic rifles but they are really out of place on that style of rifle. There are guys out there who make slings that fasten on the rifle by way of loops on each end of the sling. I’d at least consider something along those lines.



As far as removing the pins is concerned, I would be really surprised if there is any taper to them. It shouldn’t make any difference which way you tape them out.



Your best bet for balls is going to be .440 or .445.



One thing I’d do early in the game is get a different tip for the ramrod. Track of the Wolf (and others) sell a tip that is just a button. The advantage is that you won’t have something sticking out past the muzzle to snag on brush.



For the length problem go the route of a lot of chunk shooters. Some build a box to stand on, and some dig a hole in the ground for the butt of the rifle to sit in. No kidding, they really do. Just kidding about you doing it though.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 09:17

I have the same problem with my Tower Musket .....need a box to stand on while loading the damned thing but she shoots just to sweet !
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 10:53

LOL!

Whats that there strapped to your back sonny? Why, its my ladder of course! I must reload some how.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 11:44

Yeah it's a bugger to be short !  But no one dare laugh once it is loaded.....
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 11:46

@Spitfire wrote:
Yeah it's a bugger to be short !  But no one dare laugh once it is loaded.....

Why? You'd be shot before you got it loaded.  clown 

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 12:01

hey now, kit carson was a shorty and would stomp a mud hole in a mans ass twice as big as him lol
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 12:04

Not while he was trying to reload.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 12:39

My stepfather's sister married a direct descendent of Kit Carson. Every 2 or 3 years they had a family reunion in Colo. and dozens of descendents and their families showed up.

Kit Carson kicked the Navajos' butts because he was ordered to do so. No one else who tried could tame them. He burned their peach orchards and slaughtered their livestock and starved them out.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 13:10

Pete I always carry a loaded .44 with me so I don't really need the Tower  Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 13:19

You wouldn 't have in 1840. You'd have one shot from a pistol like everybody else.  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 14:05

That's true ...unless I stick two double barrelled ones into my belt.
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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-03, 15:35

You'd be bogged down with possible bag, powder horn, knife and hawk.   

Then don't forget the 11lb Hawken. Them boys were tough.

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PostSubject: Re: A New Flintlock - My First   A New Flintlock - My First Empty2014-04-04, 06:55

True , I could never understand the younger guys addiction to the 5.56 round and Galil instead of the
battle proven FN FAL and 7.62 which they felt was to heavy.
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