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Archie otto

Archie otto

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PostSubject: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 16:12

Well here are my 2 current traditional ML guns. 
Top is my modified .54 Renegade that I started on in 1984 and still working on. It has a fast twist GM drop in barrel.
The bottom is a ToW T/C upgrade stock with renegade lock, trigger, tang and breech plug.  It is also a .54 but with 1-66" twist and some Hawken furniture.  Buttplate is buffalohorn and the return and nose cap are ebony.   

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 16:37

The custom one looks great. It would look better with a flint lock.  Wink

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 17:51

Sweet!

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 18:10

The flinter will be the next project after the trapdoor is done.  I'm leaning toward a southern mountain .45...

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 18:20

good choice!

Love that full stock, thats just to damn neat looking.
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 19:15

cheers 

Pretty cool rifles Exclamation  Exclamation 

Ray.......... t up

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Archie otto

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 19:36

So you guys aren't impressed with my jacked up renegade?  I bet you won't see very many like it....

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 19:43

I was telling Jon how much I like it. Did you build the stock from scratch?

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 21:18

The bottom rifle is a pre-carve from Track of the wolf designed to upgrade the T/C hardware. 
I had another renegade stock with all the hardware but no barrel so bought the stock and a new barrel and threw it together.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/906/1/STK-TCF-16-M4
The top is an original T/C kit butchered by me.
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 22:10

Yes, Pecatonica makes the stocks for TOW. You can buy direct from them, and I heard you get a little better wood when you do. Not sure that's true.

http://www.longrifles-pr.com/thompsoncenter.shtml

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 22:14

Good looking rifles but, I too like the full stock better. t up
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-04, 23:21

Very nice ! Both will look very pretty snazzy in my safe....now just to get them over here ?
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-05, 09:07

Put a 4-barrel Holley on it and I'll give it a big thumbs up!  Razz

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-05, 13:44

Quadrajet 4 barrel will do just fine as well !
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-05, 22:03

I prefer Common Rail Fuel Injection, much more fuel efficient, reduced engine noise and horsepower potential.

I went with Track because they are about an hour away and then I could fulfill my need for immediate gratification.   I have been thinking about doing it to the top one but the barrel is just so short.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-05, 23:23

I hate fuel injection.....no one here in the bush to fix it if something goes wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 06:57

Yeah, sad to say the diagnostic equipment is expensive and the learning curve is steep.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 08:02

Fuel injection is a pain, but it's the only way to go when you live in the mountains. I can go from sea level to 13,000ft, and it still runs perfect. A carb would be flooding out on steep offroad driving, and running way too rich at the altitude.

I suffered for decades with carbs 4wheeling.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 10:05

Yeah it does have it's pro's as well.....
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 10:58

Muley wrote:
Fuel injection is a pain, but it's the only way to go when you live in the mountains. I can go from sea level to 13,000ft, and it still runs perfect. A carb would be flooding out on steep offroad driving, and running way too rich at the altitude.

I suffered for decades with carbs 4wheeling.

Carry tools and extra sets of jets.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 11:02

Jets won't cure both problems. Carbs still flood over at steep angles.

Besides, who's going to change jets every few thousand feet up and down?

4 decades of 4wheeling. There's no easy answer, except FI.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-06, 11:24

Yes it does wonders for turbo'd engines as well.
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Archie otto

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-07, 09:05

There are so many advantages to EFI and computer controlled fuel/air delivery.  In regards to diagnostics you can get a small hand held code reader for a couple hundred bucks and most the repair info is available online and even in books.  The best thing in my mind is it's pretty much plug-n-play for all the sensors, no adjusting needed.

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-07, 09:10

The problem is those little sensors in the system. I've replaced 3 of them so far, and they cost $150 each.

I could have bought a GPR with that money.   Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-07, 09:11

Archie, to get back to your rifles, how did you make the buffalo horn buttplate? Do you have more detailed photos of it?

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-08, 13:51

Archie, those are very nice rifles, congrats.
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-09, 09:22

The horn buttplate and toeplate were carved from a 3/4" thick slab.  Started with an outline and cut it with a jewelers saw to about 1/16" and did the rest with sand paper.  Shaped the "face" with files and sand paper.  Attached with 2 stainless screws and acraglass and then covered the screw holes with acraglass. The return on the plate is ebony seated with acraglass. Then polished with a cloth wheel. I will not do another with horn because it's just too soft and does not hold a shine very well under use.  I can see doing some inlays with the horn.  You can see the grain running vertically and my biggest concern is separation or splitting along the grain on impact.  I think it looks cool from a distance but lacks durability.

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I have found the best part of pounding my head against a wall is that it feels really good when I stop.
However, banging your head against the wall burns 150 calories per hour.
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-09, 10:58

Too bad it's not more durable. I thought that buffalo horn would be tougher than cow horn but I guess that's just a false perception.

You certainly did a good job.  t up

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-09, 11:08

I think horn is horn no matter which animal wears it...
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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-09, 12:44

I think horn is more suitable to a CF gun that do not get loaded with its butt in the dirt getting a big stick rammed down its throat. 

Now doesn't that evoke an unusual image?

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PostSubject: Re: My 2 traditional rifles   My 2 traditional rifles Empty2014-04-10, 00:10

It does !
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