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PostSubject: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 3:18 pm

Been cleaning with Ballistol and I recheck after 2-3 days to see if there is any residue.
Each time I find there is the brown gunk and clean again. After that I'm good for whatever time. Is this normal? Am I not cleaning good enough the first time? Thought I was a cleaning nut.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 3:21 pm

Funny you should say that. I'm getting the same thing now. I've used Ballistol for decades, and never got that before. It looks like flash rust to me.

Just to test it I tried some Hoppe's in the bore for a few days, and it came out clean.

Not sure what to think?

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 3:32 pm

Could be pulling lead/copper or even plastic.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 3:35 pm

From my Renegade? It did it when I was shooting nothing but PRB's. It's reddish brown. Sure looks like rust to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 3:43 pm

Told you it didnt work  :Hide 

reddish brown normally is rust.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 4:13 pm

Never did it before though. I'm not sure if they changed how they make it now?

I know for sure my bore is spotless. I shouldn't get anything out of it by letting Ballistol sit in it. It has to be rust.

if drummy wasn't getting the same thing I might thing different.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 4:46 pm

I've read about people getting the same results. Surfactants are not necessarily rust inhibitors.

I have Ballistol and use it sometimes but never depend on it for rust protection. I use Rig or Barricade for that.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 5:08 pm

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I've read about people getting the same results. Surfactants are not necessarily rust inhibitors.

I have Ballistol and use it sometimes but never depend on it for rust protection. I use Rig or Barricade for that.

I have had my T/C 50 cal barrel setting for almost 2 months. I had to clean it twice but after the second cleaning it's been fine. It's almost like the ballistol is drawing something out after a couple days. I use 7:1 to start and then straight for the last passes. confused 

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 5:34 pm

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I've read about people getting the same results. Surfactants are not necessarily rust inhibitors.

I have Ballistol and use it sometimes but never depend on it for rust protection. I use Rig or Barricade for that.

I can't agree.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 5:47 pm

I don't know if I understand this post. I thought that Ballistol was using mainly to prevent rust. I didn't realize you can clean your rifle with it. headslap 
I use Windex to clean and when the patches remain white I swab with ballistol with a soaked patch and then I wipe this barrel down and put the rifle away. 2 weeks later I take out all 5 rifles and swab the barrels and wipe them down again. 
I have never found any rust after leaving them sit for 2 weeks or until I oil them up again. The patches remain white.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 5:54 pm

How are you cleaning the breech channel Ray? You're just cleaning the bore with Windex.

That's why I like to flush with soap and water. It cleans everything.


Yes, Ballistol should be used to prevent rust, and that's how I used it. It can also clean, but I never considered it great for that..

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 6:02 pm

Pete,
I use pipe cleaners. After I remove the nipple I put a slight curve in the pipe cleaner and soak it with Windex. I ream it out until the pipe cleaner comes out clean. Then I dry patch everything and now comes the Ballistol inside and out.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 6:05 pm

I'd flush it. All your sidelocks have easily removable barrels. All you need is a bucket.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 6:52 pm

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I don't know if I understand this post. I thought that Ballistol was using mainly to prevent rust. I didn't realize you can clean your rifle with it. headslap 
I use Windex to clean and when the patches remain white I swab with ballistol with a soaked patch and then I wipe this barrel down and put the rifle away. 2 weeks later I take out all 5 rifles and swab the barrels and wipe them down again. 
I have never found any rust after leaving them sit for 2 weeks or until I oil them up again. The patches remain white.

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Hey Ray
Should have been more specific. I clean with hot water and soap to start with, the usually way. Then I use 7:1 billistol till the patches are clean. Then straight billistol to protect. After 2-3 days I check and clean as needed.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 6:55 pm

The problem I always find with the sidelock is the breech plug/bolster area. It traps water simply due to it getting into the face of the threaded BP/bolster. I always run a small amount of alcohol down the bore and let it sit, swish it around and let it drain out the nipple/bolster to remove any trace of moisture. I also swab the bore with alcohol to remove moisture there. Dry, follow up with oil or in your case, ballistol.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 7:31 pm

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The problem I always find with the sidelock is the breech plug/bolster area. It traps water simply due to it getting into the face of the threaded BP/bolster. I always run a small amount of alcohol down the bore and let it sit, swish it around and let it drain out the nipple/bolster to remove any trace of moisture. I also swab the bore with alcohol to remove moisture there. Dry, follow up with oil or in your case, ballistol.
I always put mine in the locker bore down with a old sweatshirt under. Never had a problem yet, but I'm new to this game.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 2nd 2014, 11:54 pm

I've read somewhere that Ballistol will draw muck out of the metals pores for a while after it has been applied and that's why you get that reddish brown colour on your patches.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 3rd 2014, 6:27 pm

You might have something there Spitfire. After shooting today I cleaned my rifle the usual way with Windex but when I got home I removed the barrel and stuck it in the hot soapy water.
After drying everything I pushed a dry patch down the barrel and out came "Thick brown shit" all over the clean white patch. Looks just like mud.  While I was washing the barrel I didn't see any of this stuff.  After a few more patches, the patches stayed white and dry. I oiled everything down inside and out and in  2 or 3 days I'll run a patch down and we'll see what comes out. Maybe ballistol isn't as good as we think it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 3rd 2014, 6:59 pm

When I run my alcohol patch even after fully cleaning it and getting white patches, The alcohol patches will come out blackish gray for the first 2. I think its a reaction to the steel.

Ballistol on the other hand, I honestly can not say whats going on until I buy some and try it my self.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 12:10 am

Ray I've been using the stuff(ballistol) for quite some time now , never had a barrel rust on me yet even when I get that brown muck on my patches as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 6:54 am

I just ran a few patches down the barrel and as far as the barrel goes there is no rust forming. (BELIEVE ME JON, THERE WILL NO RUST IN THE BARREL OR ON THE SURFACE. Down by the breech plug is a different story though).  Dunno   The first patch to come out this morning was nothing near as to what I had yesterday after cleaning it with hot soapy water but it did have some brown stains on the patch. It took 5 patches to get rid of about 90% of the brown stain on the patch. It was faint but still there.
I just swabbed my hawken dry and now I'm going to wipe it down with Remington oil wipes inside and out.
I hope someone gets to the bottom of this problem. My day is already planned for today and tomorrow taking the 5 rifles down and getting rid of the brown mud down at the breech plug that might be caused by ballistol because it's on my 4 remaining side locks.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 7:09 am

Ray I just came in from cleaning and checking all my muzzleloaders and BPCF rifles bores and I can tell you that some of them has not been used in 6 months and I could not find a single spec of rust in any of them.

Like you noticed if you swab a few days after cleaning with ballistol the patch will be red but after cleaning the 2nd time and oiling the gun with neat ballistol you'll not get the red patch again .

Like I said some of my rifles have not being fired in 6 months and ALL the patches came out squeaky clean.

So I think there is merit in that ballistol will still draw fouling and whatever out of the pores after the first initial cleaning.
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 7:21 am

I'll reply again after I check my other rifles.. Haven't fired them in awhile but used ballistol on all of them.

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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 7:32 am

Never used BC Barricade , mostly used Young's .303 oil and Hoppes No9
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PostSubject: Re: Ballistol cleaning   May 4th 2014, 7:43 am

Like I said guys, after the second cleaning I was good to go. I have a brush and can clean the breach in my 32 and it stayed good after the second cleaning also. I'm thinking if the Ballistol is loosing, softening or drawing crap out that would be a good thing. I don't believe it is allowing rust to form.

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