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PostSubject: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 13:21

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Was at Bass Pro the other day and I picked up 2 pks of CCI Mini Mag #11 percussion caps. These few questions are for the side lock guru's out there.
I'm getting excellent groups with Remington per/caps but wanted to try  CCI's out for a while now and finally was at B/P when they had a few left on the shelf. I have no problem with the R/P caps other then a few duds.
Will my POI be different now if I switch Question  I presume they are hotter. Will that have any bearing on the velocity  of the .570, .530 or .490 RB Question Do they burn cleaner Question 
What makes them be a better percussion cap in your opinion Question 

Thanks to all who reply... :rtup 

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 13:44

IMO, if they go off when the hammer falls, they're all the same. Therefore cheaper ones that work are better than costlier ones that work.
I use Winchester 11, CCI 10s and 11s, CCI Magnums 11, Remington 10s and 11s, and RWS 1075(?). All have worked for me so the ones that fit the individual nipples best are the ones I use.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 14:28

Agree , if it works i'll use it . No PT to adjust the sights if it shoots a little higher or lower.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 16:03

Should work just fine, I personally have never heard of the mini mag #11 mag caps.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 17:55

Jonathan,
You are correct. They are CCI Magnum Percussion Caps #11. Have no idea were I got the " mini " from headslap 

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 18:12

oh okay, they are great as well. You will not see any difference at all.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 18:36

Nothing should change as far as shooting Ray. The CCI cars are longer than the Remington, and will fit on the nipple differently. Use the one that fits the tightest for hunting so it won't fall off. It doesn't matter what you use for the range.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 19:08

t up 

Thanks gents for the replies. The info always comes in handy. 

Pete, I didn't know that they are different in size. Haven't tried to put one on a nipple yet to check. Will check later.

Ray............ :rtup

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 19:58

Just like 209 primers Ray. There doesn't seem to be any standard.

Same thing for nipples. They have different tapers too. Once you find a good fit combination for nipple and caps. Stay with it.

The Ted Cash cappers are made for the longer CCI caps. They work perfect together. If you use Remington caps in a Ted Cash cappers they won't stay upright, because they're too short. They'll turn sideways, and jam.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-13, 22:12

Very Happy 
Thanks Pete. I just capped a nipple and they seem to fit OK. Won't really know how they fit until I get to the range. I can tell you this, once I slid the CCI onto the nipple, it wasn't slipping off which is good. Maybe they'll be OK. 

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 08:43

The only concern you have now is..........are they going all the way on and seating? If not you get a misfire, and when you fire again it will go off. What happens is the first strike of the hammer seats the cap all the way, and the second hit of the hammer fires, because the cap is then seated all the way.

If you get the cap not firing on the first strike. Even if it's every now and then. You have a poor cap to nipple fit. Don't ever hunt with it. It should fire 100% of the time.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 09:07

I normally lower the hammer onto ill caps and while holding the trigger push the hammer forward with my thumb to fully seat the cap , that way I don't get misfires.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 09:17

I do too, and have for years. You will still get misfires with a bad cap to nipple fit.

I speak from frustrating experiences.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 09:31

That's when the fit is really bad.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 09:41

Yes, but it's so hard to tell the difference between a tight fit, and a too tight of a fit. All you can do is try to fire them. In the beginning before I knew what was going on I was blaming the caps for not firing instead of the fit of the caps.

Everytime I read someone say such and such cps suck, because they had misfires. I always suspect the fit, and not the caps. A change to a different make nipple might have solved the problem.

As an example. The TC Hot Shot nipple with the Remington caps are a perfect fit.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 09:56

Treso nipples also fits the CCI caps perfectly.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 12:51

The only caps that will fit the nipples on a Ruger Old Army revolver are Remington # 10s. They work great.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-14, 23:51

With the Remington and Colts I use CCI's and I think I might get maybe 2-3 misfires per 100 shots.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 09:55

Thanks for the input gents. When I get to the range I usually pop 2 caps with and unloaded rifle just to dry any moisture in the barrel. I'll know right there and then if they fit properly or if they are too tight. If they go off every time like the Remington's I'll know I'll have a winner. If they don't go off.........

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 10:17

It will take more than two shots to determine that Ray. Shoot a whole session to determine that.

You might get 10 shots in a row before a misfire. No good.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 11:49

I normally finish a tin per session....

Been using RWS for a while too and they seem to work well.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 12:06

Either RWS are made better than the other brands or they have better quality control and cull the bad ones. Either way I have never had a misfire with one. However, they have to be squeezed together slightly to fit tightly on most of my nipples.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 12:46

I've found that I have to squeeze the S&B caps to fit nicely, that's why I went with the RWS caps.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-15, 14:11

You don't have a good fit if you need to squeeze them.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 00:02

Just goes to show that all nipples are not machined the same even though they claim to be the right size for a certain cap.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 08:51

It's not just the nipples that are different.

The caps are different too.


CAP...........I.D.......Height
Rem 10 0.166” 0.175”
Rem 11 0.166” 0.154”
CCI 10 0.161” 0.163”
CCI 11 0.166” 0.165”
RWS 1075 0.165” 0.160”

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:00

You're right .  Funny that they never established a standard size for the nipples and caps to be manufactured to.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:02

Nothing is standardized in muzzleloading. They can't even agree what size the bore should be.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:14

I've seen that . And their tolerances are quite loose as well.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:26

That's why Thor makes 4 different size bullets, and they still don't fit all the guns.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:30

Never really bothered to find out but it would be interesting to know how tight the tolerances on CF guns is , are they also so loose or are their quality control better....
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:49

I never looked into that when I was shooting CF. I guess not having to load through the muzzle takes your mind off how the bullet fits in the bore.

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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 09:56

It does , you only think of the bullet length.
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PostSubject: Re: .. CCI MINI MAGS .......   .. CCI MINI MAGS ....... Empty2014-06-16, 11:45

hey my adjustment method, a thor can fit a white these days!
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How Jon , you hammer the base to open up ?
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