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PostSubject: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 3:12 am

Hey
Very new to muzzle loading entirely and know absolutely nothing about it. Hopefully everyone  here can help me out when I have any questions.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 6:45 am

Welcome!  Tell us more about what you are doing and expect in muzzleloading.  Are you interested in Traditional ML (TML)or Modern (MML)?  Flintlock, percussion or sealed with a shotgun primer?  Shooting a patched round ball or conical or modern bullet?  Hunting or reenacting?  Target shooting?

No matter what your interest, there are a lot of experienced shooters on here who can help.  Questions welcome.

I hunt and shoot formal and informal target matches mostly with flintlocks now but shot a lot of percussion the first 25-30 years. I got my first ML of any kind in '73.  My first big game - a small whitetail buck and a feral hog - were taken in '76 with a maxiball and 100 gr of FFg from a percussion TML. 

Good luck and enjoy the journey,
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 9:23 am

Welcome Crowfoot , like SB said all questions welcome and they will be answered by some very knowledgeable muzzleloader shooters.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 12:38 pm

Welcome Crowfoot.

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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 5:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 9:55 pm

Welcome....    I'm a noobie too!
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/13/2014, 11:41 pm

I am looking into more traditional muzzleloaders for target shooting, at least at first. Type of loads and such I don't know yet. For now I am trying to learn more about this aspect of the sport.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/14/2014, 12:47 am

Target shooting for fun or formal target shooting like Bisley ?
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/14/2014, 4:07 am

For fun, for now. Depends on how it works out.
 I used to shoot competitively when I was young and in college, that was ISSF precision air rifle and rifle competitions. I don't know if I will be up to more serious shooting any time soon. Maybe when I get more comfortable with MLs.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/14/2014, 4:45 am

Yeah shooting is fun ...busy putting together a medium range (600 yards) .451 Rigby look-alike for competition as well. Been toying with the long range guns as well but it takes more dedication than I'm willing to put into it at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/14/2014, 6:54 am

@crowfoot wrote:
For fun, for now. Depends on how it works out.
 I used to shoot competitively when I was young and in college, that was ISSF precision air rifle and rifle competitions. I don't know if I will be up to more serious shooting any time soon. Maybe when I get more comfortable with MLs.

Ok. Well do u have a rifle or r u in the planning stage?  Model? Caliber? R u planning on shooting round balls or conical a?
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/14/2014, 9:52 am

PRB can be amazingly accurate at ranges up to 100 yards so a round ball rifle might make a good first rifle , they are also easier to get to shoot accurately.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 12:20 am

Are they?
I have been looking at a Lyman Deerstalker rifle. Is that any good?
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 1:03 am

The older Lyman rifles are good value for the money spent.  With the Deerstalker you get a rifle that will handle ball or conical bullets as it has 1:48 twist and with proper load development it will shoot both accurately. What calibre you looking to get ?
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 5:28 am

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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 6:40 am

Yeah the .50 has a lot more goodies available than the other calibres. Seen some of the guys using sabots in the 1:48 twist rifles as well so you have a lot of options open as to what combination you want to use.
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 7:21 am

Hmmmm, I suggest you find some local group and or shooting matches to visit BEFORE buying a rifle.  Look at the different styles available and talk to the shooters.  Most of us bought a production gun based more on price and availability and learned soon after that we wanted a different style.  Then we wind up putting more$ out total than if we'd waited a little.

Being you are in SC, a Southern Mountain Rifle (SMR) would be appropriate for your stated use and if you got into any of the reenacting or rendezvous groups it would fit in there too.  Tho lots of SMRs have 42" barrels, 36" is not unheard of. 

For a little more you can consider a semi custom.  Jackie Brown on another site makes and sells reasonably priced semi custom guns and will sell them "in the white" meaning completely built but you brown and stain,  Sample http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31983.0.    Also look at Tennessee Valley Muzzleloaders http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com/#!muzzleloaders/ch8j they do several styles and also do in the white.  They both offer lots of different options like caliber, ignition, LOP, etc.  There are quite a few others doing the same.  Also check the auction and trader sites for a decent used rifle.

Good Luck and enjoy the journey
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 10:20 am

Standing Bear: crowfoot may not be looking for a flintlock and most of your options are geared mainly toward flinters. He is new to muzzleloading and there's no sense in throwing an admittedly temperamental firing system into it right away IMO. I think everyone would agree that percussion guns are less finicky and and also easier on the wallet for a newcomer.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that 95% of us started off with an inexpensive percussion gun. Some moved to inlines, some to rocklocks and some stayed with the gal they brought to the dance.

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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 10:50 am

I for one still have the first black powder weapon I ever bought...
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 11:29 am

Both of those do flint or percussion. Point is that a little research can actually save $ and frustration. 

Re finicky flinters. I disagree. Don't lump CVA traditions Lyman & early TCs w well made locks. Ive only had problems w those that come on mass produced store bought flint guns. Normal usage problems like dull or broken flint etc. w ones using L&R, Siler or Cochran locks. And my jap made Dixie poor boy lock works well too.


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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 11:46 am

I have a Chambers small Siler lock and things DO happen occasionally that cause misfires, delayed ignition. I know the same has happened to you .. especially when you were new to them. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/15/2014, 11:59 am

When you are new to flint locks a lot of things happen to you that makes one scratch one's head....
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PostSubject: Re: New to muzzleloading    9/16/2014, 12:41 pm

Cool

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