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PostSubject: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:16 pm

I've heard great things about this powder, and am curious. I have a few questions:

I understand the 209 designation is due to the use of 209 primers. Is it just not capable of being ignited by pistol/rifle primers? I have special nipples for my ROA to use large primers.

Has anyone had good results with a starter charge of say Triple 7 to ignite the main charge of BH 209? I've only read of one and the results seemed rather poor.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:22 pm

The rifle primers won't work, but a prime charge will. Black powder might be better to use as a prime, but the subs should work too.

Not sure about cleaning though. BP/subs use different solvents, or even water for cleaning. BH uses the same solvents to clean as smokeless powder.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:38 pm

So soap water won't clean up BH?

I do keep Olde Eynsford on hand and really like it, but I was considering powders that would handle a few days before cleaning without needing to soak in Ballistol.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:40 pm

No, soap and water won't clean BH.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:41 pm

I've also heard that the results of using a starter charge was horrible in that the variations were extreme. I'm guessing it wasn't easy to ignite it giving the various results.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:47 pm

Yeah, John Wayne was a classic.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 1:51 pm

It would be a good fight if they were both the same age.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 6:19 pm

You can ignite Bh209 with a booster of BP or T7 I would suggest 3F in both. I shot a 3F Goex booster in my White under 70gr BH209. Ignited everytime, but blow back was excessive.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 6:27 pm

@rodwha wrote:
I've heard great things about this powder, and am curious. I have a few questions:

I understand the 209 designation is due to the use of 209 primers. Is it just not capable of being ignited by pistol/rifle primers? I have special nipples for my ROA to use large primers.

Has anyone had good results with a starter charge of say Triple 7 to ignite the main charge of BH 209? I've only read of one and the results seemed rather poor.

Soap and water will kind of make a mess with BH209. Its best to use solvents like you use on your centerfire, it eats the carbon right off.

I think we have a member on here that tried BH209 with his ROA and pistol/rifle primers, I am not 100% sure what the results were though.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 5th 2014, 6:41 pm

Results were, and are, good but you need Doak's capsules or Flam-in-go inserts to adapt to the nipple threads.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 6th 2014, 10:52 am

patocazador: Indeed I do have Doak's capsules for my ROA. But I also thought about this in my Lyman rifle, as well as my Remington 1858. I know I can get a nipple that uses 209 primers for my rifle but didn't want to need to go that way, and would actually prefer to just need my Rem #10 caps if it works so as not to need to drag around or stock up on more stuff. 

It would be nice to have primer capsules for everything in the event that percussion caps cannot be found for a long spell again. I've been stocking up a bit when I find them available and have maybe 12-14 tins now.

So am I understanding that BH 209 can indeed be ignited by large pistol/rifle primers?
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 6th 2014, 3:33 pm

Yes if they will fit but Doak's only hold the small rifle or pistol primers. I have had the best results with Remington 7 1/2 small rifle primers. 21-23 gr or BH209 by weight gives the most accurate load with 255 gr SWCs in my ROA.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 6th 2014, 3:58 pm

Obviously recalled the size wrong then.

What is the OAL of the 255 grn bullets you are using?

How does 21-23 grns of BH 209 fill a powder measure? I know they differ a bit in volume from one measure to another, but just want an idea.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 6th 2014, 4:41 pm

30-33 gr. by volume. The bullets are cylindrical like a wadcutter but I never measured their length. They're from a Lee mold.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 7th 2014, 7:50 am

Then they ought to be the same as Kaido's 255 grn bullet as they were modified by Lee for cap n ball. 

That's a good amount of powder! Does it compress like T7? I found that T7 compresses more than Olde Eynsford. 

Your cylinder is stock, right?
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 7th 2014, 10:56 am

ClassicBallistx cylinder. Bh209 needs some compression for best performance IMO.

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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 7th 2014, 12:07 pm

I've been wanting one of those!

What have you measured as the additional volume it gives vs a stock cylinder?

Does it use the same nipples that the Ruger takes? I'm guessing it comes without nipples?

Does BH 209 compress drastically like T7 does? It seems I can get about 5 more grains of T7 than I can of Olde E (both are 3F) in my stock Ruger.
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PostSubject: Re: BH 209 Ignition   November 7th 2014, 1:57 pm

The deeper chambers hold about 5-7% more, I'd guess. The best thing is they are all uniform - no variations between chambers like the stock one.

Bh209 doesn't compress a whole lot but I don't use 777 so I don't know if it's the same as 777.

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