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BigDaddy

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PostSubject: More BH209 Questions   February 8th 2015, 8:50 pm

1. Do I still use hot water to clean the gun with, like I did with 777?
2. Still need to pop off a couple of primers to foul the barrel?
3. More of a Lanes tubes question, but will a bullet in a sabot fit in a Lanes tube? Or will it be to tight.
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 8th 2015, 9:00 pm

NO WATER!!!! NEVER, EVER!!!  Use regular centerfire smokeless powder cleaners. DO NOT use muzzleloading solvents!

Primers are a try it & see thing. Sometimes it fouls a clean barrel enough so that your first shot hits the same as all the rest. A fouled barrel is the most common route to go. DO NOT swab between shots......EVER!

Lanes are great! They will hold the bullet in a sabot & powder does not leak past.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 8th 2015, 9:30 pm

Big Daddy,

You need to read this and perhaps folder this webpage below.

http://www.blackhorn209.com/faqs/
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 5:49 am

Here is a pic of the tall lanes tube, loaded with a Hornady 452, 250 gr Monoflex with supplied red sabot, and 110 gr of BH 209, Nose of bullet down in tube and load the powder up and you have a great speed loader, this was after I carried it in my bag for 2 weeks, powder stayed where it was supposed to.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 1:11 pm

That's the first time I've seen Blackhorn up-close. Those grains are pretty big and appears each grain has a hole in it?...... is that right?
Or are my bifocals playing tricks on me again?
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 2:15 pm

triplese7en wrote:
That's the first time I've seen Blackhorn up-close. Those grains are pretty big and appears each grain has a hole in it?...... is that right?
Or are my bifocals playing tricks on me again?
You know what they say about pictures, they always make you look BIGGER.


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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 3:10 pm

Hello BigDaddy, when I switched from 777 pellets to BH209 I kept using T/C No. 13 Bore Cleaner and it works good.  My brother is using T/C T-17 Bore Cleaner.  I've tried several products; Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber (2-1 Bore cleaner) and Hoppes products because I had them and they all work.  I did buy some Bore Tech Eliminator but IMO it doesn't work any better than the other products.  No water.  If I had to buy a product I would like to try Montana X-Treme cleaner which is made for BH209.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 3:12 pm

triplese7en wrote:
That's the first time I've seen Blackhorn up-close. Those grains are pretty big and appears each grain has a hole in it?...... is that right?
Or are my bifocals playing tricks on me again?

Yes they are tubular, Greg

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 9th 2015, 3:16 pm

Extruded granules.
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 10th 2015, 9:31 am

I run the Lane's tubes just like Dave and haven't had any issues, even with ones loaded up almost a year. They work really well and buy 30 the first time or more because you will use them. I have also used the Montana's extreme BH209 cleaner and can't say it does anything that much different. I don't see a lot of crud like I would with 777 especially just above the breech plug which required effort to remove.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 10th 2015, 10:38 am

Thank you biddler2, you saved me from buying some Montana's X-treme BH209 cleaner out of curiosity. For years while at the range I've only used T/C No. 13 Bore Cleaner and it worked great on 777 pellets and now on BH209.  Of course with BH209 you don't have to clean that often between shots.  I also run a patch with Bob Marvels Custom oil for good measure.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 10th 2015, 10:43 am

You never have to clean between shots with BH 209.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   February 10th 2015, 10:49 am

T/C No. 13 Bore Cleaner is water based...and will not clean BH209 good...I tried it before...Hoppes does great...T|C is for black powder and other sub powders that clean up with water...BH does not clean with water...needs a petroleum base cleaner...
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 5th 2015, 8:19 pm

Since I am new to all this. What would be a good starting point for loads.  I have some Scorpion PT Gold 260 gr. with EZ Load sabots coming along with mt WP BH209 breech plug.  My Lanes tubes got here today as did some sample bullets from Harvester (300 PT Gold and 400 Hard Cast).

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 6th 2015, 6:33 am

Hi Jim, I shoot either 100 or 110 gr (volume) BH209 or if you weigh your loads, which I do, 70 gr or 78 gr.  Have some fun and experiment a little to see if your rifle shoots better with a certain bullet combo.  Although I've tried a bunch of different BH209 loads, it didn't seem to make that much difference for me.  I'm shooting at the 50 and 100 yard range targets.  Some of the forum members are reaching out a long ways with their muzzys so it is more important to see what a gun likes best.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 6th 2015, 10:06 am

Thanks Joe.  I was thinking of starting with 100 gr by volume (no scales) and the 260 PT Golds.  Being as everything I have learned came from this forum and Jon video.  So I was hoping I was in the ball park with that load.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 6th 2015, 10:49 am

I to would start with 100gr BH209. That always is the sweet spot for my rifles.
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 6th 2015, 10:49 am

I to would start with 100gr BH209. That always is the sweet spot for my rifles.
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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 11th 2015, 10:50 am

@GregK wrote:
NO WATER!!!! NEVER, EVER!!!  Use regular centerfire smokeless powder cleaners. DO NOT use muzzleloading solvents!

Primers are a try it & see thing. Sometimes it fouls a clean barrel enough so that your first shot hits the same as all the rest. A fouled barrel is the most common route to go. DO NOT swab between shots......EVER!

When I bought my new Accura I bought their Deluxe Range Cleaning Kit. Which has stuff I do need.  BUT, it also contains cleaning items, like Wonder Gel Solvent, Parts Soaker, 100 Treated Cleaning Patches which I assume I can't really use with the 209 powder?  Their Rust Prevent Patches and lubes should still be ok.  


And how many shots can I take without having to clean or dry swab the barrel?

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 11th 2015, 11:35 am

Jim you will not need to do anything to the barrel cleaning wise during shooting.  The breech plug will need to have the carbon removed via a hand spun drill bit to ensure consistent flame.  In weather warmer than 60 degrees for best accuracy it is wise to let the barrel cool some between shoots. In really hot weather above 80 you will need to let it cool more. 
After shooting use a petro based cleaner and you will be fine. BH209 is easy to work with at the range and during clean up.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 11th 2015, 1:34 pm

Well, I don't think I have to worry about to much warm weather.  I won't see 80's but 60's I will.  How long between shot for barrel to cool in 60* temps.  Though temps when I first get pull the trigger will probably be in the 30's..

As far as the CVA cleaners that came in the range kit, I was asking because if they won't do me any good might as remove them from my bag and make room for other things..

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 11th 2015, 1:42 pm

In the 60's I wait 5-10 minutes. Normally I will have to rifles with me so I can switch back and forth. Just make sure you mark you ramrod so you don't double charge. Once I start the loading process I don't stop until I fire when I'm at the range. 
I haven't used the cleaners in the kit but I assume they are for the other subs not BH209. I would ditch the cleaners for the range bag and replace that space with extra primers or powder tubes. I like to split up my primers as. Have forgotten them before but saved the trip to the range by having a seperate stash.   I need to just buy another ammo can so I'm not swapping between my CF stuff and the ML supplies.

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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 12th 2015, 1:14 pm

Ready for the range soon as it gets out of the -5 to +20 range.  Got my Lanes tubes loaded up with 100 gr of BH209.  Mainly posting this to see if I have figured out photobucket and pictures. 


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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 12th 2015, 1:44 pm

I have one recommendation for you Jim.  Remove the palm saver from your ram rod if you are going to leave the rod in place when you're shooting.  It will always jump out and an inch or so and could turn a little.  I shot mine off one time because I didn't pay attention to it.  Also if you hunt in thick woods the palm saver will hook brush and small branches and will pull the ram rod out a foot or so.  I carry mine in my pocket until I get to the deer stand and then I put it back on.



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PostSubject: Re: More BH209 Questions   March 12th 2015, 1:55 pm

Thanks for the Heads Up on that Joe.  Never even gave it any thought. And I bought a nice range rod so I will leave the factory one in place, minus the Palm Salver now.

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