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PostSubject: Big smoke video   August 6th 2015, 6:55 pm

Need I say more? Laughing  




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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 7:20 am

Jonathan, take a few Tylenol and get that video posted. Got to get my mind set back on the BIG BORE..................... scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 8:25 am

What is coming first? The video or my bedtime? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 9:46 am

OK, a few things I noticed. The patterns didn't look that great (fewer pellets in it than I expected with a full choke) and the loading order is not the same as I use.

The pattern in a BP shotgun is finicky. There is an old rhyme that goes: "Less powder, more lead,
shoots far, kills dead."

The gist is that a larger load of pellets in relation to the powder charge usually results in better patterns. The old rule of thumb is to throw the same volume of pellets as powder. This is a starting point. I use 75 grains of 2F Goex with 1 1/8 oz. of shot.

The other thing is to shoot your load at a large piece of paper/cardboard at 30 yards and see what the pattern looks like as far as even coverage. Many times there is a void in the center. This is usually due to the large wads blowing out the center of the pattern. If this is the case, cut your fiber wad thickness in half or in thirds and use a thinner wad. It helped my patterns a lot.

You loaded the fibrous thick wad on top of the powder and then the over-powder wad on that if I saw it correctly. The over-powder (denser, thinner wad) seals the gases much better than the fibrous thick wad. The over-powder wad should go in right after the powder. The fiber wad is really not that important in some barrels/loads.

Experimentation is the name of the game for a shotgun barrel. Some Pedersolis like no fiber wad and a few people get good results with 2 over-shot cards in place of the over-powder wad.
My 2 guns are similar and I use this order of loading: 75 gr 2F, over-powder wad, 1/3 of a lubed fiber wad, 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 shot, over-shot card.
Both of my guns have no choke = cylinder bore.

Shoot paper first then experiment if the pattern isn't even.

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 9:50 am

I just went with what i could find in a couple books i have.

my 50 yard group i feel is excellent for such a primitive shotgun set up.

I have all my stuff ready to go, so i'll set up multiple targets. at 25 or 30 yards, the targets are pretty boring lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 9:52 am

ahhh i did load that big wad wrong, it goes in second. Oh well, thats what happens when you havent shot it in so long lol. I'll correct that and see how it does.
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 9:58 am

Go back and read your books again. I'm pretty sure they will say that the over-powder card goes in first followed by the fiber wad.


NOTE: I wrote the above before I saw your last post. Glad to see you realize it was reversed.

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 10:02 am

After comparing the two, the book without the pictures got their wording out of place and said to put the big 1 in first. I found a magazine article in the backwoodsman that shows how its loaded.
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 11:33 am

A wad called an "over the powder" wad should tell you where it goes.  clown

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 11:37 am

thats the problem, it was all spread out rather than being line up with each one listed.
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 7th 2015, 7:34 pm

well, it was an interesting evening!

first i did the normal over powder card, wad, shot, shot card. 25 yards I blasted the squirrel target.

Next target I eliminated the wad and just used TWO over powder cards and took my shot. Already great pattern.

Anything 25-35 yards will be at the pearly gates pleading his or her case before the shot is heard.

50 yards was interesting. I keep forgetting that my shotgun shoots low due to the octagon barrel. Someone told me that they normally all do that where as the round barrel gives you a truer sight picture?

Not sure on that but so far, I aim at the center of the head or bulls eye and they all impact center line and pattern very tight from center line on down.

To me, it seems the two over powder cars give me better accuracy at 50 yards than when I use the wad.

I plan on buying a new choke or two to try out. This choke is from the 1980s so there certainly are updates available.

I'll edit the video and make sure to include close up view on the 50 yard targets for better inspection/helpful info on what to try.
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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 8th 2015, 8:44 am

A choke is just a barrel constriction. Don't waste $$ on another full choke tube. Usually a full, modified, and improved cylinder will cover all possible scenarios.

PRBs will shoot best with an open (I.C.) choke. Use a modified for ducks and either an I.C. or modified for grouse. The full choke is best for turkeys.

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 14th 2015, 1:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Big smoke video   August 14th 2015, 7:20 am

That's a terrific pattern. It has to be with the full choke to be that tight.

I've never tried 2 OP wads; I've tried 2 OS cards in place of the OP wad and also no fiber wad. The best combo I've tried was 1 OP wad followed by 1/3 lubed fiber wad. I'll have to try your load with the 2 OP wads. No Pyrodex for me though. I hate that stuff.

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