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PostSubject: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 1:44 pm

Hi everybody,

I read a lot of the posts on here but don't comment much. So thanks for all the advice I've read over this past year.

I have a Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock 50 cal, syn stock, cericoat barrel. The ignition time is so slow its ridiculous.

What I usually use:
- Hornady .490 round ball with lubed patch (the yellow patches with lube already applied)
- Pyrodex FFF for main charge
- GOEX FFFF for pan primer
- Agate flint
- Barrel cleaned after shooting seasons with hot soapy water then light coat of Rem oil

What I've tried:
- Different powders, FF main FFF prime, FF main FFFF prime, FFF main FFF prime
- Unlubed patches w/ round ball
- Saboted bullets
- Priming directly into touch hole liner to get more powder in breech
- Every direction the flint could face
- Coning the touch hole liner and opening hole up to 1/16

I can't really move the liner to get it lined up with the pan better so that's a no go. Every shot is delayed and has fuse effect. And I'm talking longer than half a second for the gun to fire once the pan is ignited.

My only conclusion is the breech from the liner to the main charge has an L-shape to it. See image below for my crude diagram. I believe this bend in the flash channel is causing my delay. Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated. I don't want to have to sell the gun or get the back end of the barrel drilled out(if that is even possible) so that my main charge is inline with the pan. Thanks for any and all advice.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 2:34 pm

On my Cabelas .58 flinter the touch hole is lined up with the main charge.  There is no bend in the breech.  I use Goex FF for the main charge and Goex FFFF for the prime and it is definitely quick.  Does the Traditions Deerhunter have a touch hole liner bushing that can be removed?  If so you could remove it and easily verify whether or not the flash channel has a bend like your diagram.

When comparing Black powder to Pyrodex as a main charge in a "flintlock" I believe you'll find BP to be quicker ignition given everything else is the same.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 3:21 pm

Pyrodex is the problem. Get goex ffg and you'll see a new animal
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 3:24 pm

Also the fuse affect it normally caused by to much powder in the pan.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 5:26 pm

I dislike using Pyrodex... a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 6:06 pm

I don't know any flintlock shooters that use anything except "holy black". It's simply not an option to shoot a black powder substitute.

If your liner has a screw slot, simply remove it and check as Smokin' Joe suggests. If it doesn't, you can carefully drill the old liner out in a drill press being careful not to use too large a bit so the threads won't be affected. I would try to get an "easy out" small enough to engage a small drilled hole. New liners can be ordered from Jim Chambers for very little money.

It's important to have the bottom of the "U" in your pan to be centered in the lowest part so the whole touch hole is barely above the bottom with no gap between the barrel side with the side of the pan. If it's not centered or too high, you may be able to remove the lock and inlet the wood somewhat to allow the pan to line up with the touch hole better.

However, try 3F black powder in the barrel and 4F in the pan first. That may solve your problem without resorting to more drastic measures.

If this fails, your frizzen may not be hard enough and you may have to have a knowledgeable person reharden it with Cherry Red. Kasenite is unavailable anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 7:03 pm

Thanks for the advice everyone. I know the breech is an L shape the manual and online searches proves this. I will try regular powder first from GOEX. Like I said above I cant really move lock to position liner and pan better since the stock is synthetic. Will the 2F or 3F be better? Or is it just a personal preference? Thanks again everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 7:15 pm

Use Goex 3F for the main charge. It will ignite a bit better than 2F.

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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 4th 2016, 7:59 pm

As said many times already use real BP especially in a flinter. Also if the touch hole is smaller than 1/16" open it up.  Some go to 5/64" as that's the next size drill bit they have but there are number drills between those sizes.  Good knapped flint will help also .... English, French or some of the American like from Rich Pierce or the Texas/Arkansas flints made by the less able folks.
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PostSubject: Re: Traditions Deerhunter Flintlock Very Slow Ignition   January 9th 2016, 4:01 pm

Even using 4F black for prime, subs in the bore tend to ignite with difficulty.
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