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PostSubject: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 11:20 am

does anyone make a hawken kit gun, if so who-thanks
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 11:36 am

If you want a real Hawken.

https://www.thehawkenshop.com/

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 11:54 am

for the cheaper kits, Traditions Woodsman Hawken or the Lyman Great Plains Rifle kit.
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 5:48 pm

Those are nice looking finished products. 

How hard are they to build? How many extra tools? 
Can some one not a natural wood worker manage well? study

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 6:09 pm

from the site,

Original Hawken kits - Kits are available 95% inlayed requiring only minimal hand tools and patience to do the final fitting. Detailed instructions are furnished with each rifle to aid you in matching original wood and metal finish. (With patience you can produce a Hawken that you can be justifiably proud of.) Please choose wood grade when ordering.
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 7:49 pm

Yeah. I do not buy it. Suspect

They are selling stuff. I am asking you guys. Question

Don't worry. I won't hold you responsible! rabbit

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 8:04 pm

Track of the Wolf has some Hawken Kit guns also.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/615/1

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 8:11 pm

hmmm $1400 isnt a bad deal for the hawken shop rifle. Just not sure about that 95% either lol.
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 14th 2016, 9:07 pm

If they are anything like the flintlock CVA mountain pistol I did. It wasn't easy, simple, or cheap. Just filing down the irregularities in the barrel took forever and 3 new files. The lock springs needed thinning, the trigger guard was warped, the hammer hit off center and the bottom of the pan was rearward of and slightly higher than the bottom of the touch hole which required re-inletting the barrel and re-bedding it and the tang.
The grip shape needed extensive re-shaping and the hot bluing of the barrel was no picnic. And it was just a pistol. I would have been money and time ahead if I had paid the extra $40 for a finished gun.

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 7:25 am

I think the Hawken Shop kit is overpriced. It will come out looking like the original Hawken, but there's other kits that do it too for half the price.

The Hawken Shop claims to have all the old Hawken bros equipment, but I don't think they use it for anything in the kit. The barrel and components come from other manufacturers. The barrel is Rice.

They think they can get away with the high prices, because it's the Hawken Shop. They get $30 for a trucker cap. Way overpriced, and just because it says Hawken on it doesn't change that.


I'd love to build a Hawken, but I live in an apartment at the time. It really limits me. If I ever find a cabin in the mountains to live it i'll build a gun.

This will be my choice for a kit to build.

http://www.donstith.com/s__hawken.html

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 7:47 am

Those are nice, Muley. I looked through their offerings and I like the J & S Full Stock. I love its simplicity.
The Lewis & Clark gun is nice too but I don't care for the showy patch box.

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 8:41 am

The best part is he had the real Hawkens to copy for his kits. Some say they're the most accurate kits you can get.

Warning to those who want an authentic Hawken. They're heavy. 10-13lbs. My JBMR is a pretty good copy of a plains rifle. With a 30 1/2" barrel it weighs 10 1/2lbs. Some of those kits use the 34" barrel. It won't be easy to shoulder it for a long time. Get a quick sight picture and fire!

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 9:26 am

Dixie gun works
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 10:35 am

I dont think those stith kits are 95% ready to put together though, that could be where the big price difference is. Also the lock is not included either so thats another $100 +
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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 10:54 am

I doubt there's much difference between the two kits in building time.

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 2:45 pm

I sent Don an email asking about the price difference between his and the hawken shop and about what his kits look like. I will email the hawken shop next to get their info on their kits and see if they require dovetail cutting/lock inletting/trigger inletting as well. I certainly can understand why Don keeps his undersized though.

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 I am not familiar with your forum And do not follow The Hawken Shops offerring. I built some of the Hawken shop rifles for the original owner and they were far from a kit.  I cannot speak to what modifications the current owner has made to make them faster to assemble. I do not call my parts kits. To me a KIT is all prefit and drilled to screw together on the kitchen table The barrel/breech is not prefit, dovetails are not cut and rib is not attached. My lock inlet is undersized as is the trigger bar inlet

 The barrel channel is inlet and ramrod hole is drilled but everything else requires some fitting. Those that have struggled with too much preinletting will appreciate this. The stock is just slightly over sized to allow it to be dressed to the metal, ie buttplate, nose cap,etc after they are installed.

 As to pricing: The website has not been updated for some time and there have been significant increases in costs in barrels, foundry castings and wood.  My current price is $150 more than what is shown on the internet. I am a hobbyist who just tries to break even on a set of parts. My newest offering is a set of parts to replicate the Medina rifle. That set of parts is $1000 plus shipping for a complete set of parts, lock,patchbox, stars, etc.

 

 I hope to eventually offer what I think a fullstock flintlock Hawken would look like. There is not a proper lock on the market, nor is there a correct trigger guard. I am sure I will have the stock pattern done long before I can get the castings to make those pieces

 Hope I have answered your questions

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 3:21 pm

Cool!

I figured both kits were tough to build as a first build. I don't expect the Hawken Shop kit to be any easier as Don said.


Here's another option. They make the kits for TOW, but if you buy from them directly you get a better grade of wood. I believe most of the inletting is done.

http://www.longrifles-pr.com/hawkenhalf.shtml

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 4:32 pm

In reading Jon's post and Don Stith's answer, it sounded to me that he was describing the same collection of parts as TOTW described for their "kits". In reality they are just parts with a partially-inletted stock. It seems that I recall TOTW's "kits" as containing the lock in their collection of parts. However, I may be mistaken.

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 6:49 pm

The price Don quoted includes the lock.

Most guys who offer kits are a collection of parts. They usually do the stock, and maybe some of the furniture casting.

The Hawken Bros made the whole gun. You won't find that anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: hawken kit gun   January 15th 2016, 7:02 pm

Sounds like they have played themselves out of the reach of the proud amateur.

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