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PostSubject: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 25th 2016, 3:38 pm

I'm going to try to post progress on the build as I go.  At this point I'm getting a few tools together.  I have a 4mm & 6mm chisel and soon a Nicholson #49 cabinet rasp.  If I run across a good vise I might pick it up also.  I'm going to start to inlet the breech & tang so I can get the barrel seated.






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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 25th 2016, 5:30 pm

That's a handsome gun. You'll have a beauty when you finish.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 25th 2016, 5:39 pm

Damn, You are brave!

Just go really really slow and take your time inletting. Its easy to take to much and have a nice long peel start.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 26th 2016, 6:09 am

Good luck. Take it slow. It only takes the blink of an eye to do something you really didn't want to.
I don't currently have an Isaac Haines style rifle but I have owned two of them. One was sold to help pay for something else and the other was stolen. The stolen one really hurt because 1. It had one of the last three .32 barrels Getz ever made, and 2. It was built by Clay Smith when he was still in the blacksmith shop at Williamsburg. He later became the gunsmith at Williamsburg, and if I still had that rifle it would be worth a lot more than I paid for it just because his name was on the top flat.
But anyway.
That style of rifle is one of the best. It has almost universal fit, and the barrel length is perfect. The only rifle I ever liked more was what is usually referred to as an Edward Marshal rifle. Like the Smith gun, it walked out the house one night (still in the safe BTW) while I was WORKING for a living.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 26th 2016, 9:47 am

Sorry to hear about your rifle getting stolen Randy.  That's a treasure lost forever.

I agree with you about the Issac Haines model, I like the wide square buttstock and with the 38" .50 cal B wt. swamped barrel it should be light and balanced to carry on a hunt.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 26th 2016, 9:54 am

Yeah, swamped barrels are super. Best of both worlds.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 28th 2016, 3:30 pm

Update: started to inlet the breech plug and tang.
1. First filed the tang to create a slight bevel on 3 sides.


Second, I trace the tang with a pencil.  After I chisel out wood on the stock the tang sets lower into the stock.  I trace again and take out a little more wood.  Repeating the process until it is fitted.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 28th 2016, 6:48 pm

Very Nice project ....wish you the best...

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 28th 2016, 7:57 pm

Enjoying your posts...

Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 28th 2016, 9:20 pm

Hey Joe
Thanks for taking the time to post progress while doing this it looks really interesting. If I was your neighbor Id be there in your way being a pest. Al

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 28th 2016, 9:30 pm

If you were my neighbor I would enjoy your company!

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 30th 2016, 2:07 pm

Well I started to Inlet the breech & tang and that's where I still am.  Crying or Very sad  I didn't realize that the barrel channel was too narrow near the squared portion of the stock. I couldn't figure out why the barrel would not seat all the way down. So now I'm sanding. This project will be awhile before I get done.  Gee, I thought I would be hunting "Griz" by now with it.  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 30th 2016, 2:45 pm

We'll wait...

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 30th 2016, 6:08 pm

Don't mean to be a pest...But it you can get a kerosene lamp and soot your barrel it will show high or tight spots, remove the black marks and it will slowly fit...Just trying to help...

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 30th 2016, 7:27 pm

Great idea!  Thank you Hilljack.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 31st 2016, 6:14 am

Smokin Joe - Thanks for taking the time to document this. As every one says"go slow". Don't be afraid to walk away and come back the next day. Keep your tools sharp too for the stock work. Pushing too hard on a dull cutting tool leads to regrets.

Can't wait to see your first range report!
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 31st 2016, 9:19 am

Thanks for all the suggestions....keep them coming as I have a lot of steps to accomplish yet.

The barrel channel was too narrow in places which would not allow the barrel to seat down properly.  I put inletting black on the barrel to see where it was touching.  I then about removing the ink where ever the barrel touched with chisels and sanding blocks with 100 grit paper.   



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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 31st 2016, 10:28 am

Barrel is seated, a portion of the tang is above the stock yet.  I took a large adjustable wrench and slightly bent the tang to fit the stock profile.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   March 31st 2016, 6:40 pm

Joe- Not sure what your level of experience is so you may be way ahead of Mike but he chronicled his whole build of a swivel breech flintlock here.

https://www.full30.com/channels/duelist

Just look for the swivel breech stuff. He makes a few mistakes but sees his way through to the end and it looks like he comes out with a good shooter. I appreciated the fact that when he made a mistake he manned up and showed it, and came up with a fix.
Any way if you get one good idea from watching it it's worth it.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 1st 2016, 6:37 am

Thanks, my level of experience is "Day one entry level", first muzzy build.  Very Happy I'll watch the video because I am quite confused with the inletting of the lock, and next the trigger assembly.  I believe the stock was prepped for a single trigger but I have a double trigger to install.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 2nd 2016, 1:51 pm

Newbie mistake...seems I got a little ahead of myself.  I didn't measure the breech plug threads which determine where the vent liner will be installed.  The vent liner needs to be drilled about 1/8" past the threads and dead center on the flash pan.  Now that I have done that measurement I found that my barrel needs to be moved back 1/4".  The "pre-carved" stocks need to be checked for this alignment before the inletting begins. 
The threads end after that red line you see on the barrel:
 

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 2nd 2016, 3:07 pm

The boo boo I made at that stage was having the barrel too far back. Your mistake is a lot easier to fix.
I have at least two flintlocks (made by someone who knew what they were doing) that show signs of the drill bit that drilled the touch hole on the face o the breech plug. That 1/8 inch sounds a little too far forward to me. It's best, in my opinion anyway, to have it as far back as possible so you at least have a chance to push a little 4f in there in case of a dry-ball.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 2nd 2016, 5:19 pm

Randy, I guess I knew I would make "many" mistakes on this first one.  Each one will be burned into my memory banks so "hopefully" I'll can avoid them on the next one.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 2nd 2016, 6:33 pm

Even at point the you are now you are doing WAY better than I have when I tried building my own.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokin' Joe's Isaac Haines build   April 6th 2016, 6:41 am

Update:  Well I accomplished a few things on my Issac Haines build.  I moved the barrel back 1/4" inch to better accommodate the white lightning vent liner I'm going to install.  I have inletted the barrel and the lock.  I'm needing a few supplies so while I'm waiting on that I inletted the buttplate and toeplate so I could feel a little sense of accomplishment.  Next I'll be working on installing the underlugs so I can get the barrel pinned.  Because I have a swamped B weight barrel I'll be soldering a couple of them rather than dovetailing.

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