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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 3:37 pm

Colonel, you are right...we are all Americans and it is "OK" to have differing opinions about candidates.  However beating the drums as loud as you can tying to influence others that your opinion is the only right one doesn't change the fact that it is still "only" your opinion.  This is a subject that everyone is passionate about and everyone deserves to have their own views.  Let's have a beer relax together.  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 3:49 pm

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Colonel, you are right...we are all Americans and it is "OK" to have differing opinions about candidates.  However beating the drums as loud as you can tying to influence others that your opinion is the only right one doesn't change the fact that it is still "only" your opinion.  This is a subject that everyone is passionate about and everyone deserves to have their own views.  Let's have a beer relax together.  Very Happy

Right you are Smokin' Joe. Thank you very much for that.

I care very much. 

I think I see a very bad thing. I want to scream a warning. 
I hope I have not offended.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 5:41 pm

For eight years now our "Top Dog" has divided us by color, race,  country of origin etc. In some other countries, for example Canada, if you were born or immigrated there you are a Canadian by all accounts I know. Not so here, WHY?

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 6:05 pm

Unless they can figure out a 3rd person to run the general election. We're stuck with Hillary and Trump.

Buy not voting you are saying I want Hillary. Whether you do or not. That will be the outcome. So, even by not voting you have made your choice.

I cringe at Trump being president. I cringe even more at Hillary being president. Simple as that.

I've always been a part of...never Hillary. That will never change for me. If I have to vote for Trump to stop her. So be it.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 6:14 pm

"In some other countries, for example Canada, if you were born or immigrated there you are a Canadian by all accounts I know. Not so here, WHY?"


Canada is divided into Canadians and Quebecois. They have all road signs etc. in both English and French. Kids in schools in Quebec are taught in French not English and some Quebecois claim they cannot speak or read English.

There are divisions based on language, ethnicity, race, and politics in every nation of the world. However, the leaders of most of these nations don't try to further divide their respective countries to the extent that Obama has. The nations of Africa are a notable exception.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 5th 2016, 6:25 pm

Bob,
Like I said, "by all accounts I know" so duh me, thanks for the clarification. Now that I think about it, my friends in BC referred to some eastern Canadians as being........oh well, it would not look nice in print.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 8:47 am

here is a great video...watch it....

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 10:06 am

Kentucky Colonel nailed it.  

The "lesser of two evils" candidate is usually pretty damned evil.   

Look at John McCain who ran against Obama in 2008.  For years McCain has railed for closing the
non-existent "gun show loophole".   Years ago McCain teemed up with US senator Lieberman in introducing the draconian "gunshow loophole" bill.   If this thing had passed congress it would have elimnated gunshows.  On election day gunowners stayed home in droves and Obama won. 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/890
 
Look at that Romney guy who Obama beat out in 2012.  Romney signed a permanent "assault weapons" ban into law as the governor of MA.   Then the NRA endorsed Romney for president, go figure.  On election day many gunowners stayed home.     

One burning questioon.  Who will do the manual labor in this country when/if all the illegals are shipped out?  The vast majority of born in the USA kids refuse to do manual labor.


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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 10:29 am

It bears repeating. If you don't vote, you're voting for Hillary.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 3:46 pm

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It bears repeating. If you don't vote, you're voting for Hillary.

“If you aren’t for Trump, then you’re for Clinton” is a cheap rhetorical ploy. 
I’d write that any thinking adult would be ashamed for falling for that kind of 
sixth-grade debater’s stratagem, but a Republican electorate capable of choosing 
Donald Trump as its standard-bearer is incapable of shame. The angry insistence — 
him or her! — is, for the moment, mainly an attempt to forestall further criticism of Trump.

The issue, instead, is this: Donald Trump is unfit for the office. He is unfit for any office, morally and intellectually."
- National Review May 6, 2016

I will stand in the rain, crawl, and wait hours to vote to keep 
Donald Trump away from Presidential power in the United States. 

If you think Hillary is the bigger danger, you have not been paying attention.

Trump is vile and a walking danger to our very way of life.

‘If this is who my party is, I don’t really identify with it anymore,’ one 
Republican says." Politico

I agree.

So, yes. If that means voting 'for' Hillary to keep this walking XXXX 
pile out of office? Absolutely. Give me two, please.

He is a walking representation of everything that is wrong with America. 
His type have led other nations to disaster time and time again. 

Not here. Not on my watch.

The trouble with those who study history in order to prevent making the 
same mistakes? We have to watch others make those mistakes when 
we see what is coming.

Now will come the inevitable replies to this... 
'I study history, too,' and you are wrong. 

I can be, but I am not. Remember that this is not just my opinion.
Thousands more knowledgable than I have made the same claims. 
You don't need to look far for brilliant, studied minds who favor conservative 
approaches who are appalled by the prospect of a Trump in office.

Republicans and Independents across the country 
are recoiling in horror at the prospect of a Trump 
presidency. Yes, far more than a Hillary presidency. 

There are real reasons. 

Maybe. Just maybe... we should disconnect from posting simplistic 
'Stop Electing Liberals' MEMEs and average party politics long enough 
to think and to consider and to realize the danger this country is in from a 
Trump presidency. The warnings are coming from the right! 

I never thought a Trump presidency could happen in the United States.
Join me in making certain that it never does. 

I do apologize for 'beating the drum.' It is very hard for me to relax and 
do nothing in the face of this impending train wreck- especially while the 
drum beat keeps coming from the other side. I am trying to hold back... 
and failing, miserably.

Thank you for tolerating politics from me here in this place I have valued for not 
having politics. I am quite fond of this forum and the people in it. 

God bless and keep you all.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 4:26 pm

"I will not post about the present presidential (ack!) politics here anymore because I come to 
relax."      

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 4:27 pm

@patocazador wrote:
"I will not post about the present presidential (ack!) politics here anymore because I come to 
relax."      

nono

You are right when you are right.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 5:02 pm

one thing Floyd said to me when we were hog hunting together was to not ever have a politic section Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 5:05 pm

I don't much care for Trump.  But Hildog is the anti-Christ and must be destroyed at any and all cost.
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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 5:18 pm

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one thing Floyd said to me when we were hog hunting together was to not ever have a politic section

Yep, and that advice still stands.   Look at that other site we frequent:   Most of the posts are in the politics forum. 

Now i will shut up about politics.
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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 6:35 pm

Ok KC. You voted for Hilllary. I'll remember that in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 6:42 pm

You voted for Obama.... twice.



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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 6:46 pm

I know you aren't talking to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 7:05 pm

oh yes I is.

Maybe the first time you voted for the old man and the legs, tits and ass, running mate, but for sure you voted for him the second time :ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 7:17 pm

If I had voted for Obama. I'd be voting for Hillary this time. Same deal.

Who did you vote for? Oh wait! You aren't old enough yet.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 8:05 pm

I am an economic conservative, an active defender of gun rights, more of a Libertarian on social issues with a live and let live approach to life. I am non-religious and prefer to not bring religion into political arguments. I weigh scientific inference based on hypothesis testing more heavily than political feelings.

That said, I am shocked and aghast at the choice we will have for president. I neither like nor trust Clinton. But my disdain for Trump is even greater. This is the guy who said that McCain, a man who would not speak against his country while in a North Vietnamese prison and would not leave the other prisoners behind and therefore suffered 5 more years of torture, was not a hero because he had been captured?! Astounding! A man (Trump) who probably avoided the draft due to his father's wealth and contacts, saying such a thing about a brave and selfless man!! Disgusting!!

Trump says he won't let businesses leave the country and take the jobs with them. How? That is not something a president can do. He is going to make Mexico pay for a wall. How? When politicians from Mexico laugh at you, what does that make you? He is going to make war on international trade and make us isolationist. How, put on tariffs? Rampant inflation here we come. People won't be happy when their new remote control goes from $19 now to $49, then.

Trump is a narcissistic liar. He claims after the fact that he didn't say something absurd, then it shows up on video.

He is the epic demagogue who speaks only in 20 sec bumper sticker soundbites.

But, what the heck do I do when the election comes around? This election, for me, is absolutely painful. How can I bring myself to vote for a person I consider not far from being a clown?

I have never stressed about an election before. But it stresses me to choose the least evil. These people are the best we have to offer?

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 6th 2016, 9:14 pm

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! Safer patrolling the streets, at least you guys are passionate about our country!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 7th 2016, 6:31 am

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I am an economic conservative, an active defender of gun rights, more of a Libertarian on social issues with a live and let live approach to life. I am non-religious and prefer to not bring religion into political arguments. I weigh scientific inference based on hypothesis testing more heavily than political feelings.

That said, I am shocked and aghast at the choice we will have for president. I neither like nor trust Clinton. But my disdain for Trump is even greater. This is the guy who said that McCain, a man who would not speak against his country while in a North Vietnamese prison and would not leave the other prisoners behind and therefore suffered 5 more years of torture, was not a hero because he had been captured?! Astounding! A man (Trump) who probably avoided the draft due to his father's wealth and contacts, saying such a thing about a brave and selfless man!! Disgusting!!

Trump says he won't let businesses leave the country and take the jobs with them. How? That is not something a president can do. He is going to make Mexico pay for a wall. How? When politicians from Mexico laugh at you, what does that make you? He is going to make war on international trade and make us isolationist. How, put on tariffs? Rampant inflation here we come. People won't be happy when their new remote control goes from $19 now to $49, then.

Trump is a narcissistic liar. He claims after the fact that he didn't say something absurd, then it shows up on video.

He is the epic demagogue who speaks only in 20 sec bumper sticker soundbites.

But, what the heck do I do when the election comes around? This election, for me, is absolutely painful. How can I bring myself to vote for a person I consider not far from being a clown?

I have never stressed about an election before. But it stresses me to choose the least evil. These people are the best we have to offer?

Ron

I agree completely and could add more to what you say about Trump. He's a horrible choice. However, the other choice is Hillary. Is she worse? I think so. You see what you get with her. We know what she will do. Trump is unknown. We have 6 months to watch him. Maybe he'll change for the better. If he doesn't, he has no chance of beating Hillary.

One thing is for sure. Hillary wants our guns. She has already talked about a buy back program.

I'm still hoping for a 3rd choice.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 7th 2016, 7:53 am

scratch scratch scratch

Hillary or Trump  Question Question Question Trump or Hillary Question Question Question

Remember, the same people that voted in the person that destroyed our great country twice, will be voting for this new resident of the white house in November and I don't think either person is a winner or on the right track. Now it's all about POWER. They seem to forget that they are supposed to work for us but when you elect people who haven't got a clue, what do you expect.
No matter who gets in there now, WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE DOWN THE ROAD. I only wish that more of us would wake up and see what's really happening here.

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PostSubject: Re: Hillary or Trump?   May 7th 2016, 8:44 am

Keep in mind that all presidential and congressional candidates spout off about all the things they plan to do when they get in office.  When they get in office they find out that all of congress are controlled by the big special interest and lobbyist.  Two minutes after the presidential candidate becomes president the opposite party starts stradagizing on how to keep the president from becoming too succesful so their party can win in the next election.  It doesn't take long before the elected officials forget all about the American people that put them in office and the office becomes quite self serving to fill their own personal needs, mostly their bank accounts!

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